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On Black Friday 2008, 34 yr old Walmart employee, Jdimytai Damour, was asked by his employer to use his 6’5 body as a barrier for a crowd of over 2,000 people. He died that day after being trampled by the crowd. The shoppers did not concerned about his death, and even complained of waiting too long. Image

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u/rlewis2019 3d ago

The year after the tragedy, former Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice moved to file felony reckless endangerment charges against Walmart. But a few months later, Walmart agreed to pay nearly $2 million to settle the case and avoid criminal prosecution. That settlement included $400,000 to compensate Jdimytai Damour's family and the injured victims.

Around the same time, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration concluded Walmart committed a "serious violation" of rules requiring employers to make sure their workers are safe from hazards. Walmart went on to spend nearly six years and more than $1 million battling against a $7,000 fine and federal citation.

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u/Sudden-Appointment-7 3d ago

Imagine getting $400,000 in return for a life. I'd bet they'd give anything to get him back.

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u/CocoaNinja 3d ago

That's the life insurance policy in the military. Die on active duty, your beneficiary/ies get $400k.

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u/Mobitron 3d ago Helpful (Pro)

My, how generous.

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u/MadeByTango 3d ago

A good reminder that your life has a calculated value, and it’s smaller than the fines these companies risk paying for getting in trouble.

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u/Ganrokh 3d ago

Reminds me of the death of Anton Yelchin. His vehicle had a defect that Jeep knowingly released it with, having already done the math on how much they would have to pay in possible wrongful death cases versus the cost of fixing the problem on every vehicle.

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u/extemedadbod 3d ago

Look at what Ford did with the Pinto, they knew and the powers that be said it would be cheaper to pay for injuries than recall and fix the problem. Profits over people

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u/oldfatguy62 3d ago

Or GM with the ignition switch

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u/No_Bother_654 2d ago

That switch killed 4 of my sisters college friends. Steering wheel locked, no power brakes. They crossed the median and hit an 18-wheeler head on.

The cops couldn’t figure it out, so they decided they were drunk (autopsies said they weren’t, there was no alcohol in any of their systems).

Years later the ignition switch scandal broke. The parents thought their kids died in a drunken accident until GM got caught.

Over a thousand deaths, and Not a single one of the people responsible ever saw a jail cell.

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u/Jsc_TG 2d ago

It infuriates me to no end. Fuck every person who knew about that decision before it was finalized

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u/Maleficent_Memory_60 2d ago

That makes no sense. How can someone be drunk if they have no alcohol in their system. -_- those cops messed up.

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u/Justokmemes 2d ago

i keep getting notices for a pontiac grand am i havent had in years for the ignition switch recall.. now i know why. im sorry about your sister's friends:(

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u/meric_one 3d ago

This same approach is being taken to this day... by medical and pharmaceutical companies.

Corporations run this country. We are peasants and they don't give a shit about us.

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u/The_Evil_Skim 3d ago

Ford did the same thing with the Pinto in the 70's. They ran the numbers and came to the conclusion that it would be cheaper to pay out the wrongful death settlements rather than recalling and fixing the problem with the car.

It had exposed differential housing bolts that could puncture the fuel tank in case of a rear end collision. The fuel would then ignite due to the proximity with the exhaust system and burn the car down, sometimes with the owner still in it.

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u/Slickaxer 3d ago

From minor rear end collisions.

We studied this case in business ethics

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u/flingeflangeflonge 3d ago

"business ethics"? That's a thing? (I'm not being sarcastic)

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u/RogueRafe 3d ago

It is a thing. And what can pass as ethical business can often raise the eyebrows of normal individuals.

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u/Coldstripe 3d ago

I had an ethics in computer science course for my compsci degree, the professor showed the class this video.

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u/Dilipede 3d ago

At least it was in my program… although I can’t say for other business departments. Honestly, it is one of the most important classes I’ve taken, and I hope every future businessperson takes a similar one to maybe prevent the awful shit we see going on today.

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u/ThisFieroIsOnFire 3d ago

Yes, it is. I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but we were told the ethics class at my university was mandated by federal law following the aftermath of either the ENRON collapse or the 2008 financial crisis. Jaded as I was even back then, I was skeptical a 100 level moral philosophy class was going to prevent any moral hazard.

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u/QuotidianTrials 3d ago

Isn’t this the beginning of fight club

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u/hiredhobbes 3d ago

Yeah pretty sure this case was what that line was based on.

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u/ReditUser111111 3d ago

Take the number of cars in the field, a and multiply that by the probable rate of failure, b. Multiply that number by the cost of the average out of court settlement, c. A times b times c equals x. If x is less than the cost of a recall, we don’t do one.

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u/SunOnTheInside 3d ago

Ford did this again with the Escape. There was a recall in 2004, which created a situation where the accelerator cable could become snagged in the open position, causing uncontrolled acceleration. Rather than issue another recall, they seized the wrecked cars and fought the families in court until they gave up.

That happened to numerous families until my cousin was killed by the same thing, except my family seized the car themselves and an NHTSA investigator caught the defect on camera.

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u/pornborn 3d ago

This happened to me driving a 90’s Buick Riviera as I accelerated onto a highway. I was able to maintain control letting the car accelerate then braking hard to slow down to 70-80 mph. When my exit got close, I turned off the ignition and coasted up the off ramp. I pulled to the side of the road, my wheels were smoking from the heat of braking. I opened the hood and found the accelerator cable got snagged on a zip tie.

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u/sloppo_19 2d ago

This is making me so glad I drive a manual where I can just put the car in neutral and let it rev up without accelerating if it wants.

I once had the accelerator pedal accidentally get held down by the floor mat and was able to avoid anything bad happening

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u/SamSibbens 3d ago

Fines should not be enough in cases like this. People responsible should go to jail (did anyone go to jail? Or did they just pay another fine?)

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u/Bowood29 2d ago

Cute to assume they paid a fine instead of counter suing the family for buying ford property and doing a botched investigation. These people are monsters.

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u/mijcar 3d ago

Happened to my wife. No injuries, but she went through a barbed wire fence, had to pay for car and fence repairs. Ford refused to anything. Why? Because we had brought the Escape in for recall repairs and then wad told the parts were on back order — but it would be okay to drive anyway. Ford said they had no liability because it was her choice to drive the car at that point.

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u/two4one420 2d ago

ALWAYS TELL THE DEALER YOU FEEL UNSAFE DRIVING YOUR CAR UNTIL ITS FIXED. MAKE THEM PUT YOU IN A RENTAL.

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u/circa1337 3d ago

They forgot to calculate the damage to their reputation. But, then again, I had no idea about Ford doing that, which means lots of other people don’t, either. I’m sure Ford did their part to limit media coverage as well

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u/theresabeeonyourhat 3d ago

Ralph Nader been saying this over 50 years

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u/Same-Reason-8397 3d ago

“Cost of doing business”.

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u/360inMotion 3d ago

Good ol’ capitalism.

/s just in case

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u/Jdogy2002 3d ago

“Which car company do you work for?”

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u/spacenomyous 3d ago

A major one

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u/Maximum_Response9255 3d ago edited 2d ago

The statistical value of a human life is actually around $10,000,000. Maybe even up to $11,000,000 or $12,000,000 now with inflation. The fines should definitely be raised to reflect this.

If you’re wondering where this number comes from, there’s lots of different ways it is estimated for different purposes. I am no expert, but I linked a short summary video under someone’s comment responding to this one. More detailed explanations of the math can be found online.

Edit: Changed wording to statistical value of a human life and added the second paragraph.

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u/TheOvenLord 3d ago

Man. You are getting SCREWED on your human life cost. You should talk to my guy. He can get you a dude for $400.

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u/Maximum_Response9255 3d ago

I’m sure you could outsource for like $3.50

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u/Ok-Table9344 3d ago

Bout tree fiddy you mean

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u/Curious-Designer-616 3d ago

I was going to pay them the 3.50 but the I realized the victim was a 50ft dinosaur from the Paleolithic era! Than I said, get out of here you damn Loch Ness monster!!

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u/NinjaCuntPunt 3d ago

You're going to the wrong watering holes my dude. I can get 3 willing fellas and a buffalo for $1.37 all in.

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u/Maximum_Response9255 3d ago

God damn that’s a deal! You know all the wrong people!

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u/Call_Me_Rivale 3d ago

Still better than a Lada.

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u/groovy604 3d ago

More thank I would have guessed tbh. Considering they do next to fuck all for veterans who survive

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u/foodank012018 3d ago

That 400k is the overall budget, die, family gets it all, live, 400k allotted for therapy /s

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u/Slyons89 3d ago

sad thing is our healthcare system is so inefficient and costly they probably consider it a bargain to pay the 400k

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u/ParaglidingAssFungus 3d ago

Idk about fuck all. I’m 100% VA disabled, I’m still allowed to work, my wife just signed up for college for free - she starts in January and will actually get paid like 1200$ a month for going to school, I get 3600$ a month tax free, I secured my home with no down payment and a good interest rate with a VA loan, my son will also get free college once he comes of age, and they could both be covered by the VA for medical (I opt for my employers healthcare tho).

They’ve made my life considerably easier post service and I feel they’ve made up for what they took away from me.

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u/BlackberryOpen974 3d ago

Maybe my case is different. Hopefully im an outlier and not the other way around. I personally am a veteran but i am also the son of a veteran who died in service. I have not one good thing to say about how he was treated or how the VA treated myself and my family when trying to work through all the bullshit. Im glad you got what youre owed but believe me it doesnt always work out

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u/ParaglidingAssFungus 3d ago

Can you elaborate? Were your injuries service connected? Did you get rated correctly?

My injuries were well documented during my service, which from what I see and read is the huge problem that people run into. They never got seen for their issues while they’re in, so they show up to the VA with messed up knees but no proof that the issues were from a service connected injury.

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u/OdBx 3d ago

Better than a lada and a bag of vegetables.

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u/acyclebum 3d ago

When I was in, it was $200k. I'm surprised it went up. But also happy to hear that it was raised, regardless of how little it seems for a life.

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u/BlackberryOpen974 3d ago

Yeah my dad died as a result of exposure due to his time in Vietnam jungles. He fought for years and he finally passed in 05. We carried on the fight and finally won in 2012, 7 years after his death and nearly 50 years after he left that hell hole. His 7 kids got to split 150,000. Id give any of that money to have been able to have a dad that watched me graduate, he died when i was 17. In short, fuck our government. They will literally take you for everything and do everything in their power to not have to compensate you.

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u/SanshaXII 3d ago

When a veteran returns, wounded in body and mind, why is that money not available for his treatment and housing?

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u/khoabear 3d ago

Because the US government can't afford it. Did you not see the trillion dollar deficit? /s

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u/givemeadamnname69 3d ago edited 3d ago

Because they got what they wanted out of you and don't give a fuck anymore.

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u/CocoaNinja 3d ago

To be fair, depending on how much disability you rate (and how long you stick around above ground), you can make more than 400k post service off of disability payments and they also have free health care (quality and ease of access not guaranteed) and VA Loans.

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u/Obscene_Username_2 3d ago

If they decide to grant it to you

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u/LatchedRacer90 3d ago

And there is a lot of red tape and fine print along with that.

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u/Benbenb1 3d ago edited 3d ago

Is it similar to how injuries are treated as “not service connected”?

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u/ScaryHarry15 3d ago

“Sir, getting shot in battle isn’t service related”

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u/Far_Ad_3360 3d ago

It do be like that though

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u/MadMike32 3d ago

Well yeah, the idea is to avoid getting shot. That Purple Heart just means you didn't do your job well enough.

(/s, hopefully obviously)

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u/Virtual_Activity_582 3d ago

No there isn't, stop making shit up

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u/jamesmontanaHD 3d ago

youre talking out of your ass with no experience - what are you referring to? NEVER seen it NOT be paid out. ive seen people drunk die on motorcycles, suicide, etc. and still be paid out SGLI... even if theres fine print people look the other way because the people making decisions, its not their money...

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u/ScottRiqui 3d ago

No, there really isn't. One of my collateral duties in the Navy was a "Casualty Assistance Calls Officer " (i.e. the guy you never wanted to see on your front porch if you have a family member in the military).

The government bends over backwards to get SGLI insurance money to the beneficiaries. In addition, there's a $100k tax-free "Death Gratuity" that gets paid almost instantly to help the survivors with immediate needs. In my day, it came in the form of an overnighted checkbook tied to an account with $100k in it, but it's probably direct deposit now.

And there are almost no restrictions on SLGI - the only way to forfeit SLGI is if the insured member is found guilty of treason, desertion, mutiny, spying, or refuses to serve or wear the uniform because of conscientious objection. You also don't get SGLI if you're legally executed by the U.S. government.

There are a bunch of rumors out there, like "SGLI won't pay out if you die in a car accident and weren't wearing a seatbelt," or "You won't get SGLI if you're killed in combat wearing non-GI issued body armor," but they're all bullshit.

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u/Disabled_Emu 3d ago

I'd imagine it's also the easiest way to lose support for the military is refusing death benefits. Jerk veterans around all you want and fuck the serving troops but fuck with the death benefits of one soldier killed on duty and you lose some of the staunchest military supporters in the country in an instant.

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u/Sufficient-Aspect77 3d ago

Plus when you are in military there is an idea that you may die because of your job. But at FUCKING WALMART?! ON BLACK FRIDAY?!!! Jesus, this is so dark. The messed up part is that people put it all on Walmart like it's something they did specifically different than any other place. When in reality it is the nature of Capitalism as a whole in the United States. Society has become so much about SELF and so little about OTHERS that I bet that MOST of those who trampled the poor man felt NOTHING because they were able to push the blame to Walmart and how it was their fault. Not that THEY themselves were the ones rushing in like monsters to get one or two specific items to save $100 dollars. The blame is on the entirety of this society that we have all become a part of. Whether we built it or were born into it. No one here is blameless. It's a shame that this man died. But we are ALL TO BLAME.

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u/Lost-My-Mind- 3d ago

I remember in 2006 Black Friday I was waiting in line since Wednesday for a Wii outside a Best Buy.

When midnight came on Black Friday, the best I can describe it as was running of the bulls. At 11:55 I literally watched the closed/locked doors, mostly made of glass BEND. Glass isn't made to bend, and I yelled out "EVERYONE STOP PUSHING OR THE GLASS WILL SHATTER, AND SOMEONE WILL GET CUT MAJORLY! THIS IS A DEATH RISK!!!"

They didn't stop pushing. Eventually the employees just opened the doors 4 minutes early, because someone would have died. Thats the only time I ever saw glass bend, and it was scary. We were all being pushed forward. No way to stop it, and the person in front eould have been cut if the glass had shattered. Maybe even into their neck.

When we started hearding into the store, I saw a 7 year old girl on the ground, people jumping over her body to heard in. I grabbed her by her neck (I only had half a second, and that was the most accessable spot to grab) and threw her over my shoulder, while still running. If you stopped running, you would fall. So I had to grab and run.

Once through the door, I went over to the side, away from the chaos, and asked this girl if she was ok. She had a broken rib, and a broken arm. As far as I can tell I was the only one who cared. Her family found her, 45 minutes later, unaware she had been trampled.

The whole time I was frustrated that I wouldn't get a Wii, but also knew this was more important. Finding her family, and making sure she got medical care.

I later found out that they didn't even have any Wii's.

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u/aaj617 3d ago

I think I did black friday like once or twice as a teen, then I went deep down a stampede death wikipedia hole, and after that i was like yeah no

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u/pinkplatypush 3d ago

Most often it comes down to how good your attorney is & the venue. And the involved parties’ ethnicities & socioeconomic statuses

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u/Vulkan192 3d ago

...note to self, try to get brother to join the military.

We were never close.

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u/Antelope010 3d ago

Ive worked on quite a few wrongful death cases. Lowest I’ve see was $50k, and the highest one I was involved in was 2.2 million (usually depends on the money available from insurance). The money is never enough but it’s the only compensation available in the justice system.

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u/YouJustDid 3d ago

being in the industry, I’ve got to imagine you’re familiar with the Bhopal disaster settlement — Union Carbide (later Dow Chemical) valued each life at USD 500

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u/Neoxyte 3d ago

Manslaughter and wreckless endangerment laws are rarely ever applied. Most car accidents that involve in death rarely ever involve criminality. You can kill someone and get away with it with 0 criminal liability as long as you weren't intoxicated and stay on the scene. My mom was killed by a clearly distracted driver turning fast on a pedestrian intersection. 100k (minus 1/3rd lawyer fees) is what me and my father got. Just amazes me you can cause someone's death and not do time for it.

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u/DeckardPain 3d ago

Jesus… I’m sorry for your loss. That’s terrible.

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u/auzzykamikazee 3d ago

Unfortunately not all families…

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u/Et_boy 3d ago

Still better than a Lada.

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u/pickpocket293 3d ago

Around the same time, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration concluded Walmart committed a "serious violation" of rules requiring employers to make sure their workers are safe from hazards. Walmart went on to spend nearly six years and more than $1 million battling against a $7,000 fine and federal citation.

I believe it's more to do with the "serious violation" from OSHA than the fine. My (rudimentary) understanding is that those serious violations are, well, serious and they can have a substantial impact on a variety of things for a very long time. It's common for companies to fight those tooth and nail (right, wrong or otherwise).

...Just for context.

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u/OiGuvnuh 3d ago

Correct. It can disqualify a company from competing for federal contracts, makes their insurance skyrocket, other companies can’t do business with them because of the liability, etc. etc.
Which, good. That’s the point.

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u/Batbuckleyourpants 3d ago

Walmart went on to spend nearly six years and more than $1 million battling against a $7,000 fine and federal citation.

They fought against being proven liable. This is why cases like this almost always end with settlements where payouts are contingent on not having to admit guilt.

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u/akosgi 3d ago

So what can be done to REALLY fuck over a company in this situation? Have the victim’s family not settle and take it to criminal court?

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u/Batbuckleyourpants 3d ago

You can somehow be rich enough to still take them to court. But even then chances are you will actually be awarded significantly less money than during a settlement if for instance your state has a cap on payouts.

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u/SkoolBoi19 3d ago

Your not really going you fuck over the corporation. Home office didn’t call and ask this guy to do anything, probably his manager or GM did, because of a general direction given from home office. So if you push really hard odds are the person that told him to stand at the door would be the one to do time.

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u/crazytoothpaste 3d ago

2 million … with 400k going to victim’s family. Rest ???

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u/doodsboob 3d ago

Damn 3 mil ain't shit.

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u/Automatic-Assistant7 3d ago

I figured with inflation it’d hurt more, but nope barely over $4M in todays money. That’s a rounding error in Walmart’s books, for getting someone killed.

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u/SL-2020 3d ago

So disgraceful. Just horrifically sad

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u/i-hoatzin 3d ago

My blood boil. What an absurd death, a hardworking young person, murdered by a stampeding horde of morons.

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u/Cakeking7878 3d ago

Ok so, this is what people call a crowd crush. In a crush, you aren’t in control of your movement. It’s hard to understand if you never seen one before but to give you an idea, researchers found in a crowd crush, people move more like liquids and can’t even control where they go, instead following where the crowd is going

Even if someone tried to stop to help him, they probably were forced forward before they go a chance because everyone behind them are pushing just ever so slightly forward

It’s important to understand it isn’t any one person responsible, it’s the cumulative force of the whole crowd at that point

Really the people you need to blame is Walmart for ever putting him there in the first place

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u/MrMrRubic 3d ago

Here is a video of a crowd crush during an oasis concert, you can really se the wave of people moving.

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u/Rampant16 2d ago

That's the best visualization of that effect I've seen, thanks for sharing it.

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u/EquivalentSnap 2d ago

That’s scary 😭😭😭

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u/Suitable-Beyond-1259 2d ago

Insane video

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u/ThrowerWayACount 2d ago

Appropriate. A wave at a concert for oasis

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u/swingfire23 3d ago

Yep. This is a Walmart issue for failing to address crowd control.

Easy to blame shoppers, but in crowd crush situations the people at the front near the dangerous area are no longer in control. It's the people at the very back, who have no idea what's going on up front and feel like it's a normal crowd, that cause the problem.

Unlike ants, humans cannot communicate with the masses over long distances when there is trouble. Without proper crowd management, this can happen. And it keeps happening again and again (South Korea being the most recent, and incredibly horrific, example).

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u/cranbog 3d ago

Regarding communicating with the masses:

In some protest or demonstration videos I would sometimes see people repeating phrases so that others could hear. Like if someone up front said "back up", someone would repeat "back up" and it would keep spreading through the crowd, so that people in the very back of the crowd eventually got the message they could never have heard before from way back there.

That needs to be taught everywhere. I don't think everyone would follow it, but it's easy and if it helps one person, that's good enough.

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u/magicxzg 3d ago

"Back up. Pass it on"

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u/cynthiadoll 3d ago

This is basically what happened at Astroworld

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u/That-Spell-2543 3d ago

Crowd crush is what killed a number of people in the recent Astroworld tragedy.

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u/ilyak_reddit 3d ago

I remember working in an electronics store around that time. If you didn't show for black Friday you were fired, you showed at 3 AM. Some of the extras didn't show because they were smart. I remember the doors opening. It was like world war Z. Pure pandemonium. I read about people dying in those hordes. What a fucking embarrassment. Capitalism is vile.

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u/I_am_Daesomst Interested 3d ago Wholesome

Give thanks at dinner, trample someone to death by midnight.

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u/climatelurker 3d ago

Christmas Spirit!

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u/Embarrassed_Rise5513 3d ago

This is why I've always had a problem with the word "doorbusters". Nobody else seems to get why it bothers me so much though.

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u/jblanch3 3d ago

You're not alone. That term bothered me even before this young man's terrible death. I live in the next county over, so it was big news here. Is that term still around? I haven't heard it too much since Black Friday got pushed back to actual Friday after Covid.

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u/friendlytrashmonster 3d ago

Exactly why my family has never participated in Black Friday. You sit there and give thanks and spend time with family on Thursday, and then on Friday participate in possibly one of the worst displays of human character. Just doesn’t make sense to me.

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u/Dgrakus 3d ago

Plus Black Friday is almost never that good of a deal, if you regularly watch prices there’s almost always a better deal sometime throughout the year.

I was browsing my email today and saw a Black Friday ad for a clothing store I shop at, I decided to check it out because I do need new shirts and I bought nothing because the deals sucked.

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u/LegalHelpNeeded3 3d ago

I worked at Target for a while when I was in college. I was working and noticed a crazy deal for a TV. I bought a 50 inch TCL Roku TV in June for $162, normally $320. Later that year when I was working Black Friday, they had the same model TV on “Black Friday Special” for $260.

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u/strike-when-ready 3d ago

Give thanks and feast. For tonight…WE DINE IN HELL!!!

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u/minnesotaris 3d ago

They didn’t give thanks. They didn’t do shit except sitting down to eat.

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u/NotGaryGary 3d ago

I work at Walmart pharmacy. I was once holding a woman's head from smashing into the ground during a seizure. Blood shooting from her mouth.

A woman tapped me on the shoulder and said. "Excuse me (full attitude), I am here to pick up a script."

I said, "I am a little busy right now" she got really huffy and then complained about me.

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u/Any-Anybody-4239 2d ago

I used to work at a Walmart pharmacy and the customers are crazy. They'd be pissed that their prescriptions weren't done and would just jump back in line and come ask again. I finally went off on one guy and told him I can either stand in line and tell him over and over that it's not done or I can go work on getting it done but I can't do both. I never went back when the pandemic hit.

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u/nocksers 2d ago

I think some people imagine pharmacies work like McDonald's. There's someone who makes hamburgers (sorts and fills prescriptions) and someone who rings up your value meal (a cashier) with no comprehension that the actual pharmacist does the whole thing because they are both trained to handle your medications, and trained to answer your (SOMETIMES LIFE OR DEATH IN THE CASE OF MEDICATION INTERACTIONS) questions at the register.

Their lack of understanding is no excuse, they don't understand because they've never taken 2 seconds while standing in line to even consider empathize with what the pharmacists job entails.

Thanks for spending some time in pharmacy, even if you weren't able to go back. A close family member of mine has heart disease and so much stuff interacts with her medication, I am so grateful there's always been people at the Walmart/Walgreens/CVS to tell her.

Who knows, we coulda lost her years ago if a pharmacist never told her that she can't take OTC ibuprofen or drink grapefruit juice, such seemingly innocuous things, on her meds.

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u/pistcow 3d ago

I worked Target down the electronic aisle when the iPod first released in 2001. I was told to only open and close the case as needed. It was a crashing wave at which point I opened the case and climbed to the top of the 8 foot racking and was throwing the ipods at people. It was nuts but I think the Black Friday thing has died down with people opting for online sales.

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u/Innerdragon91 3d ago

I picture this as Dawn of the Dead with iPods instead of guns.

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u/Secret_Ad9045 2d ago

Dead Rising

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u/supahfligh 3d ago

I worked at a Circuit City briefly about 15 years ago. Had to work black Friday that year. I spent 14 straight hours standing behind a cash register. We weren't allowed to take bathroom breaks, lunch breaks, nothing. Found out later on that management had adjusted our time clock punches to make it seem like we got our breaks. It was miserable.

The highlight of my day was standing there like a jackass trying to explain to a customer that we were sold out of a flash drive that was in the newspaper flyer. I knew for a fact that we were out of them. Managers TOLD us we were out of them. The woman just kept screaming at me to go check, and I tried explaining to her that I couldn't leave my register, my manager says we don't have them, and I couldn't go "look in the back" because I know they weren't there. Then the guy standing behind her decided to team up with her and start berating me, calling me a lazy dumbass because I said we were out of stock. This exchange went on for a solid 15 minutes while a line of probably 50 other people waited behind her.

I told my supervisor about it later before I left, he said that it's "just part of the job." It was one of the most dehumanizing experiences of my life.

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u/PizzaCatLover 3d ago

Circuit City Black Friday 2007. I worked 3am to 1pm, had a 2 hour lunch from 1 to 3, and then worked 3pm until 1am. We didn't get actual clock out type breaks, but they brought in sandwiches we could go eat when we needed to recharge. I think I'm still tired from that day.

I think in 2008 I saw two women got into a fistfight over the last of the free giveaway Polaroid branded digital cameras. They were garbage, I think the msrp was $20, but they both decided they wanted to bleed for one

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u/soaring_potato 2d ago

Not black Friday but working in a cheap store. I know the feeling. Sometimes people would just not accept that no, we are out of swimming pools in the middle of the heatwave. Yes they came in. But 3 carts of them will be empty in half an hour. It's the busiest day of the week, at 2. You are the 20th person that has asked for that this day. We are not going in the back and searching the store for the same item like 50 times as a team in a day

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Horrible, imagine loosing your life so someone could get 50% off a fucking TV or Xbox. I never understood how people in a crowd could not realize or not care that they are walking on an actual person.

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u/PandaMayFire 3d ago All-Seeing Upvote Narwhal Salute

People are just animals wearing pants, we call that a herd mentality.

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u/qweef_latina2021 3d ago Silver

*some were wearing pants. This IS Walmart we're talking about.

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u/PandaMayFire 3d ago

I laughed way harder than I should have, if this isn't the truest comment.

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u/RepulsiveWorking9791 3d ago

Who says im wearing pants

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u/Ronotrow2 3d ago

Once a crowd surges many people within the crowd literally move whether they want to or not. Terrifying and that poor man should never have been asked to do that.

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u/JPhrog 3d ago

And this is exactly what got many people killed in South Korea Halloween street party

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u/Ronotrow2 3d ago

Yeah and at astroworld and many many other overcrowded events. They literally don't even have their feet on the ground, and can't move. Nightmare situation and then if one person falls... shudders

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u/gooberdaisy 3d ago
 50% off a fucking TV or Xbox 

That’s not the case these days anymore. my SO has worked for retail for the past 15+ years. He said that the tvs that are for door buster or 50%+ off is either 2-3 year models they couldn’t sell in store and want to be rid of them or the factory threw together whatever leftover items to make a TV and be rid of it. Same thing with computers. As for the Xbox and pS4/5 sales it’s all manufactured control so they don’t actually lose any money in any of these deals. Black Friday is not worth it and cyber Monday.

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u/kerune 3d ago

I always liked working Black Friday when I was doing retail at Walmart. Had a weird energy. But one year I was tasked with watching this set of displays that were to remain covered until the correct time. Everyone was waiting in line and growing impatient and some started pawing at the displays. I’d walk up and go “uhh… stop it” and they’d stop. But someone at the other end would start pawing too. Repeat a few times and eventually more people were clawing at these displays than I could realistically stop, so I just threw up my hands and walked away. This wasn’t even a dangerous or out of control situation, but it’s impossible for underpaid and understaffed retail workers to physically manage these animals.

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u/LocusShadow 3d ago

It’s a little bit of both

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u/Beneficial-Line2304 3d ago

Once the crowd pushes from the back people are moved forward involuntarily.

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u/Bill_Weathers 3d ago

Like 20% in actuality. In a crowd that big, everyone keeps moving because if you stop, you’ll be trampled yourself. I wish that a crowd would have the collective rationale to stop herding when someone is down, but for the most part we don’t seem to be wired that way. That said, I hate Black Friday, and I won’t do it.

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u/Barry_McCockiner__ 3d ago

Imagine seeing your co-worker die and the cause of his death was telling you they waited too long outside. Humans suck

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u/Hungry_Ebb_5769 3d ago

It’s actually not that simplistic. crowd stampedes , crushes , and surges are very dangerous and once start hard to stop. I’m sure the individuals in his immediate area tried to help. the way these situations work is that the rear of the crowd has no idea what is going on up front and continues on. have more faith in people. and avoid large crowds that have more than 4 people per square meter.

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u/working-acct 3d ago

People shouldn’t be rushing into stores anyway, some of the footage from Black Fridays terrify me. Fact that it’s completely normalized, even seen as a joke AFTER people have died is disgusting.

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u/legopego5142 3d ago

Shits barely even on sale

Imagine learning you helped kill someone over five dollars off a toaster oven

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u/drogods 3d ago

Consumerism at its worst.

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u/dilroopgill 3d ago

the sales always suck and you can get shit the next day for even lower

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u/LouSputhole94 3d ago

There was a time where this wasn’t the case and you could actually get shit at pretty insane values. Like with everything, corporations saw they could make more money off of people by doing less and took it and ran

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u/jaczk5 3d ago

and the items (especially electronics) are usually cheaper models than the ones they normally sell.

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u/SeriouslyTho-Just-Y 3d ago

Exactly 🤨!!!!!!

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u/Cakeking7878 3d ago

Yea but no one though a crowd crush was gonna happen. It’s not even that people are rushing forward. It’s the total accumulation of the entire crowd slowly pushing forward. Crowd crushes at sports games have been known to break even steal fences and gates.

It’s why you are told to calmly evacuate a burning building because they don’t want a crush or a stampede happening

Fun/horrifying fact, in a crush, the crowd moves and functions more like a liquid. Enough that from above, you can see waves move through the crowd

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u/jimbolic 3d ago

Yeah, exactly this. There are signs to look out for and to avoid like you said. If you have trouble moving your arm up, for example, leave the area.

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u/Scoot_AG 3d ago edited 3d ago

Everyone should know about how crowd crushes form, how to avoid them, and what to do if you get caught in one.

One redditor wrote an amazing piece that can be found here.

Stay safe when you're in a crowded area please and always look out for the signs.

Edit: fixed link

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u/RetMilRob 3d ago

WalMart spent 7 years fighting the liability claim and fine in Jdimytai Damour death. Claiming “asking him to be barricade was a request and not in his job description, he had the ability to refuse without consequence”. I wouldn’t piss on the Walton’s if they were on fire.

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u/Datiptonator002 3d ago

Don't forget Alice Walton killed someone. Now she's heralded for her museums.

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u/RetMilRob 3d ago

The fine they fought was for $7000. That’s it

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u/gentle_jon 3d ago

Jdimytai Damour deserved better.

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u/climatelurker 3d ago

And to think people are being tricked into believing they're getting a discount, and he died for that.

Let's do away with Black Friday.

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u/720Jon720 3d ago All-Seeing Upvote

It’s sad, but we will most likely hear about another death from tomorrow’s shopping.

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u/Booottenant 3d ago

It’s all about Cyber Monday. Don’t know why people actually go out on Black Friday

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u/Bowlingbon 3d ago

With the pandemic many stores made it so easy to not go to go in. Black Friday deals are easily accessible online and run all through the weekend. They don’t even open up at midnight anymore all of the targets around me open an hour early (7am). Thankfully they stopped opening on thanksgiving.

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u/McFruitpunch 3d ago

One year, in Jackson, TN, there was a drive by at the Toys-R-Us on Black Friday. Damn shame man. Makes no sense.

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u/Sir_William83 3d ago

I was an employee at Toys-R-Us on Black Friday '13 and was ask by management to be outside security. 6'2 I dress in all black and told everyone in line that I was strapped and I had no issues that night lol. Rest in Peace to anyone who did 🙏🏿.

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u/Cool-Expression-4727 3d ago Gold 'MURICA

Hey brother

I served in the Target Regiment, Black Friday '15. 6'3, we all dressed in vantablack, our clothes literally absorbing the light around us.

As the crowd formed me and my squad would periodically grip the handles of our partially concealed knives, and make the throat slitting gesture.

No problems that evening. RiP those that didn't make it

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u/Ooooweeee 3d ago

Semper Walmart! Always low prices, never forgotten.

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u/Versuvi 3d ago

This man served on Deal Team Six

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u/Outrageous_Bass_1328 3d ago

Best Buy Brigade

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u/DeadNotSleepingWI 3d ago

K-Marshals

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u/ho0k 3d ago

Homie so brave, literally a Target right behind him 🙏🏻

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u/penis-penis_penis 3d ago

Did 14 tours myself, before I got out.

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u/CFDanno 3d ago

Thank you for your service.

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u/Cool-Expression-4727 3d ago Take My Energy Bless Up (Pro)

I appreciate the sentiment, but I no longer believe in that level of customer support.

Unlike a lot of my buddies I stayed for many more sales events. Pretty much everyone in the squad who had somewhere else to go, well, they went somewhere else. It was only deadbeats like me and Swakarski who had remained.

Anyway, Black Friday '17, it all went to shit.

It was in Aisle 14, near automotive. There was an incredible deal on Blu-ray players. I knew that was going to be a Hotspot and we were understaffed. Our fucking manager dismissed my concerns on the basis that competing deals in Home Decor and Sports would ease pressure on the Electronics aisle. That bastard had never worked a day on the sales floor in his life.

30 minutes into the sales event it went officially FUBAR. Swakarski was in Electronics - I had sent him there, the only one I really trusted.

By the time I got there, it was too late to extract Swakarski. He knew. I knew. But it doesn't change anything.

I still remember the look he gave me as, in one last act of defiance, he toppled the shelving onto himself and a dozen rowdy shoppers.

He saved my life that day. And lost his own. And for what? Great savings?

I mean, everyone wants a great deal. Some might say that's part of what makes America the best country on earth. But was it worth it?

Sometimes I'm not sure.

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u/RootHogOrDieTrying 3d ago

All gave some, some gave all.

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u/TransformerTanooki 3d ago

I survived Christmas seasons 2014-2018. When hoverboards came out money brains took over. Hatchimals to. And pie face. No we do not sell whip cream god damnit.

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u/WredditSmark 3d ago

Fully expect triggers to get pulled tomorrow over some dumb shit

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u/okcdnb 3d ago

It’s why they shut them all down and moved to Canada. We are being punished.

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u/GhostBussyBoi 3d ago

In the Florida locations of Walmart they have went to having Black Friday deals over I think a 2-week period and then having a very small event on actual Black Friday and allowing Walmart plus members to shop the deals early so they don't even have to go into the store.

So as far as I can tell at least in Florida there won't be any more Walmart chaos in the foreseeable future on Black Friday.

If somebody would have asked me to guard against 2,000 people I would have just honestly quit and walked away.

That being said I don't blame him He was just trying to do his job and probably needed that job and couldn't afford to walk away from it. It's just really sad that people get put in these positions :(

It's horrible to imagine laying there on the floor as people trample over You're already dying body.... Just laying there as you're dying and thinking to yourself "there's not one human in this crowd"

What's even sadder is if somebody did notice him and did in fact want to help, if they had tried to help him they more than likely would have also gotten trampled and died.... When you're in a crowd if you stop it's extremely likely that you will get trampled to death.....

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u/Messicrafter 3d ago

All Walmarts are doing the Deals for days Black Friday events Source: I used to run that stuff in my local store last year and the year before. (I now work on the railroads.)

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u/coconuty04 3d ago

Actually hasnt black Friday been in the decline the last few years? I remember last year businesses complained about record low sales for the day, which is great. Stupidest fucking tradition ever.

Also remember for the idiots doing out to get those 50% off tvs and shit, most of those models are specifically made for sales like this and they're cheaply made, compared to their normal year round model counterparts. Even if it's a reputable brand.

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u/wistfulmaiden 3d ago

Yes and thank God. I think since 2019 with increasing online deals.

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u/AnthillOmbudsman 3d ago

Is this Black Friday stampede still a thing? I thought I read news stories over the years where stores were cutting back on those 5 am door openings and spreading things out.

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u/marlinmarlin99 3d ago edited 3d ago

They should make all black Friday events online. Easier , less headache. And they would probably sell more and no clean up

Imagine retailers could advertise only 5 tv for sale but it's really 100-500.

Online they can do that strategy.

In person you will get people fighting over and breaking half of them.

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u/johnothetree 3d ago

This is already happening, but also stores have started spreading their sales out for the full week of Black Friday, or even the full month. Easier on the workers, easier on the shoppers, everyone still gets good deals.

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u/KingRufus01 3d ago

Harder on the delivery workers.

I've been working 10-12 hours a day the last two weeks and probably will continue to do so until next year.

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u/JBupp 3d ago

Nassau County’s District Attorney pursued a charge against Walmart for reckless endangerment, which the corporation avoided by offering a $2 million settlement, $400,000 of which went to Jdimytai’s family and those injured in the stampede.

When OSHA (the Occupational Safety and Health Administration) followed suit after the Nassau County DA and filed a safety hazard charge against Walmart, the corporation spent over $1 million fighting the charge in courtrooms from 2009 until 2015, when they finally relented and agreed to pay the OSHA fine. The amount of that fine they’d spent over $1 million dollars defiantly refusing? $7,000.

https://nathanveshecco.medium.com/jdimytai-damour-10-years-later-277706add1e6

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u/WhoCaresBoutSpellin 3d ago

Wanted to read a story to remind me to lament consumerism and got hit with a paywall. Mission accomplished.

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u/cpt_buttcheeks 3d ago

People suck

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u/GibbonTaiga 3d ago edited 3d ago

In most cases of "trampling" nobody intentionally tramples anyone else. At sufficient densities crowds behave like a fluid and the people around the choke point either follow the flow or get injured resisting it. The people in line don't know that anyone has been downed way up ahead of them, they only know that the line is moving and are jostling for position.

Then the companies who should be held liable deflect the media's attention onto the greedy & bloodthirsty monsters in the crowd as a way to shift blame from how the company mismanaged the situation and put human lives at risk.

Walmart created this monster by progressively making their Black Friday events bigger and more exciting year after year without investing any of their profits into safety.

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u/Cakeking7878 3d ago

It’s also know as a crowd crush. Terrifying honestly

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u/Dariooosh89 3d ago

All died for things that are probably in a dumpster or land fill by now. I hate Black Friday so much.

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u/EmberSolaris 3d ago

The first time there was a death caused by a black friday crowd, the entire event should’ve been stopped in the future. But big companies wants money…

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u/DapperTiefling 3d ago

Bruh this ain't an interesting fact, it's a fucking tragedy.

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u/awakeningat40 3d ago

That's horribly sad

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u/BorderlineCreative 3d ago

That is horrible and I’m wondering if it was his first black Friday. I’m a big guy, 6’4 and well built but I would never be a shield against 2k people. I’m not going to be a shield at all you fucking cheap skates. Big bodies can get lingering injuries easily. Fuck that

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u/thumpthumpboom 3d ago

Imagine dying for Walmart.

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u/Captain_Hampockets 3d ago edited 3d ago

Nowhere near as serious but:

In about... 1992-93, I was working at 7-11. A car crashed through the front doors. no major injuries. But there was a car sitting there in the front doors. Motherfuckers were trying to climb over it, through the broken glass, and getting MAD AS HELL when i, a 19-year-old idiot with a tiny bit of common sense, was telling them NO. I literally was yelling at people "WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU???"

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u/Lebrons_Foreskin 3d ago

They were jumping over to steal stuff or buy stuff lol

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u/Tomotakato 3d ago

There's a website that counts how many injuries/deaths there are each year.

http://blackfridaydeathcount.com/

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u/Nochtilus 3d ago

I mean, other than the crowd related ones, there seems like a normal day in the US where some people choose violence to settle very minor arguments. Hell, I've seen guys on ordinary days pull out guns and threaten each out because they bumped into one another in a crosswalk.

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u/USAIsAUcountry 3d ago

I'm honestly going to blame the companies who created and take active part in this spectacle. They are banking on the concept of crowd mentality to make people abandon personal responsibility and human decency so they can create perceived competition and scarcity to drive them into a mindless consumption frenzy. They want this, they are the ones who create this, they are the ones responsible for this man's death!

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u/No_Quote_2464 3d ago

I'm glad black Friday has calmed down. What a stupid ass day

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u/foxxof9 3d ago

Walmart and target both now do month+ long Black Fridays where deals rotate weekly. This has likely helped as then not everything is on sale at the same time and people will see the deals while shopping normally.

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u/CountyMinimum910 3d ago

Wasn't 2008 a recession year? Bet most of those people were in no real financial position to be buying any bs from Walmart at that time and probably realized that later on anyways. Sad.

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u/Stinky-kitty70 3d ago

I would have told my employer to kiss my ass. Wish he would have as well, what sad loss of life for an employer that doesn't give a damn about the people they employ. Wal-Mart 🤮

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u/toucanbutter 3d ago

Easy to say if it's not a job you rely on.

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