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'Star Wars: Andor' Episode Discussion

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  • Episode 1, 2 & 3: September 21st
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  • Episode 6: October 12th
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  • Episode 8: October 26th
  • Episode 9: November 2nd
  • Episode 10: November 9th
  • Episode 11: November 16th
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u/Level69LaserLotus Chopper (C1-10P) Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

What a great choice to make Luthen an art dealer. He has a great cover for large transactions, he’s knowledgeable about a lot of systems and their culture, and he is set up to be well connected in Coruscant.

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u/BadBamana Sep 28 '22

And he knows how to spot something/someone of genuine worth. Very on-point, I think.

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u/Level69LaserLotus Chopper (C1-10P) Sep 28 '22

Yes seeing the potential and picking out Cassian like a piece of artwork.

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u/Whiskeyjacks_Fiddle Sep 28 '22

AND it lets him go off-planet often, ostensibly to pick up new items, which is his cover for spy work/meetups.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Rey Sep 28 '22

Also good his assistant in the antique store also knows the game and how to help distract for her boss.

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u/MythicalFury Sep 28 '22

It always seems the art-lovers bring quite a bit of substance to their work, Thrawn comes to mind.

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u/SymbioticCarnage Grievous Sep 28 '22

Oh shit. I wonder if they've ever crossed paths?

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u/largehawaiian Sep 28 '22

That’d be a great way to introduce him in live action, just as a customer of Luthens

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u/ChanceVance Kylo Ren Sep 28 '22

"Seven against a garrison?"

Well you can make ten men feel like a hundred.

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u/Creasentfool Sep 28 '22

It's a great prelude to his growth. That line from rogue one has already been given context. This is some masterful work. It's truly a privilege to watch this.

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u/ChanceVance Kylo Ren Sep 28 '22

It's Episode 4 and we're already seeing that he's a cynic who believes it's pointless to try and rebel when it's better to just live and try to do what you want.

We know in Rogue One he's one to shift Jyn's mind about it being easy to ignore whose flag is flying everywhere if you never look up.

Character development is already there lined up and ready to be hit out of the park. Great show this.

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u/SCP-1000000 Sep 28 '22

Say what you want about the empire but their uniform and interior design is always A1

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u/LilKaySigs Sep 28 '22

The clean outfits I believe are supposed to be a nod to a certain era of Germany in which officers also had similar fashion design

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u/Doogie_Gooberman Sep 28 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

I wonder if the Empire's uniforms were made by Hu-Goh Bossk?

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u/3luejays Battle Droid Sep 28 '22

I'm so down to watch a show about the Empires career and political dramas. So well done this episode.

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u/figgityjones Luke Skywalker Sep 28 '22

This dude just say “Rakatan Invaders” 👀

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u/FloppyShellTaco Sep 28 '22

Was that the first mention of the Infinite Empire in live action?

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u/N8_Tge_Gr8 Loth-Cat Sep 28 '22

I believe so as well.

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u/figgityjones Luke Skywalker Sep 28 '22

I believe so yeah 😃

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u/SmoothLikeGravel Sep 28 '22

Slowly but surely, Knights of the Old Republic is becoming canon

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u/ChanceVance Kylo Ren Sep 28 '22

Give me a Clan Ordo acknowledgement next please.

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u/gorillaPete Sep 28 '22

Don’t they sponsor basketball teams?

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u/figgityjones Luke Skywalker Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Not sure, but I hear their Huttball tournaments are next level 😄

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u/Level69LaserLotus Chopper (C1-10P) Sep 28 '22

The Mothma Residence is truly interior design goals 😍😍

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u/ColdSteel144 Jedi Sep 28 '22

We haven't seen much of Chandrilan culture but I love how they managed to capture the sense of elegance and refinement it is known for. Very much like Alderaan but also clearly distinct.

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

Crazy looking, very hunger games vibes

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u/LilKaySigs Sep 28 '22

I really enjoyed the world building of the Hunger Games it was probably the coolest part of the series

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

"You're bleeding on my floor"

The man gets to the point.

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u/captainhaddock IG-11 Sep 28 '22

I love how he yelled at the rebel team leader to look at him while he was speaking. Every scene has these unexpected moments that reveal character and elevate the story.

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u/LegendsStormtrooper Imperial Stormtrooper Sep 28 '22

And yet it feels so real and genuine. I like seeing this grittier side of Star Wars

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u/NomadPrime Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

I love that Star Wars has been so accessible to all audiences, really, but it feels nice to have a show where things feel more mature. Not just saying swears (someone said ass at one point, I think Lol) or showing sex exists, but in how the characters are allowed to be emotionally messy in ways that drama films usually are. Like people in the movies and other shows can obviously get angry, sad, etc. But here it felt more spur of the moment and an outburst. Like something you'd see more from an HBO drama than a fantasy space opera. This didn't feel like somewhere in a galaxy far, far away, it felt like I was seeing my father get fucking pissed at me for talking over him. It got real.

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u/hillrow_wood Sep 29 '22

This is so true. The characters in Andor feel like real people who are actually feeling emotion and coming up with what they’re saying organically (rather than reading a script) in a way that is rare in Star Wars

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u/squanch_solo Watto Sep 28 '22

Can't wait to see this "celestial event" during the heist. Gonna look so beautiful.

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u/NYVines Sep 28 '22

They set it up. Going to have to watch that one on the big screen

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u/Non_Linguist Sep 28 '22

Hopefully it’s like when Khonshu wound back the night sky in Moon Knight. That was beautiful.

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u/TheGoverness1998 Sep 28 '22

Cassian was on Mimban! Was he involved in the same campaign as Han at the time?

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u/sidv81 Sep 28 '22

Timeframe would indicate so, said Cassian was 16 which places it 10 BBY.

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u/TheScurrilousScribe Sep 28 '22

I heard that they're retconning his birthdate though. I can't remember my source for that, but it makes sense because no way is flashback Kassa 4–7 years old and present Cassian looks a bit weathered for a 21 year old, haha.

Age him up a few years and he would probably be one of the first imperial troops on Mimban post-Clone Wars. My suspicion is that he was a Mimbanese soldier who was turned on by the clones, thus the 'fighting ourselves' comment.

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u/draxlaugh Sep 28 '22

Maybe that flashback we see with the Clones in the trailer is on Mimban at the end of Revenge of the Sith

Maybe Cassian will see Order 66 too

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u/HeEatsFood Sep 28 '22

Probably and Han was on the opposite side. They both defected at some point

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u/ninjyte Sep 28 '22

Cassian was the guy who yelled MY LEG! in the battle scene in Solo

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u/DrDaddyPHD Sep 28 '22

My favorite detail is that you can see that guys leg laying in the crater Han meets Becket in lol

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u/BonusCommentary Sep 28 '22

Mon Mothma’s Rolls-Royce speeder caught my eye.

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u/Accomplished-Cow-758 Sep 28 '22

yeah I thought the same thing. definitely a rolls if it’s for a senator

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u/FERFreak731 Sep 28 '22

Very cool of Cassian to go by the name of his father

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I know they’ll touch on it more but I’d love a flashback of what happened and how he was close to his adoptive dad.

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u/DetectiveExpensive55 Sep 28 '22

Family issues in star wars. It would be a first.

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

Luthen is such a great character. The conversation on the ship was amazing. These two actors are great together. I can't say enough about this show so far.

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u/RebelliousFriend Sep 28 '22

I really enjoyed seeing him practicing his smile alone on the ship.

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

Gotta keep up appearances. He's like batman and Bruce Wayne.

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u/gorillaPete Sep 28 '22

Mysterious past and a kyber crystal. Not a Jedi in hiding tho right?

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

With a retractable cane that looks like a lightsaber.

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u/BonusCommentary Sep 28 '22

Worlds not ready for Sidious vs Luthen.

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u/Shiny_and_ChromeOS Sep 28 '22 Silver

World needs Sidious vs Beren and Luthien

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u/wybenga Jedi Sep 28 '22

This guy Tolkiens

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u/itorune Sep 28 '22

A kyber crystal associated with the Rakata, could just be something he acquired as an antiques dealer. I presume it's meaningful to him for its involvement in the fall of a galactic empire.

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u/BellyFullOfDolphin Sep 28 '22

The Rakata mention was huge and not a lot of people are talking about it

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u/brova Sep 28 '22

Biggest "holy shit" moment of the whole episode for me.

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u/HeEatsFood Sep 28 '22

Kinda insane with the starkiller artifact. Confusing given he managed to publicly run an art dealership on Coruscant

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u/ChanceVance Kylo Ren Sep 28 '22

Oh hey a reference to Mimban. Yeah I heard a certain Corellian smuggler was there too once.

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u/TheGoverness1998 Sep 28 '22

Heard he took a job with a big shot gangster, putting together a crew.

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u/fart-debris R2-D2 Sep 28 '22

Man, the Rogue One/Andor corner of the SW universe continues to be the most beautiful realization of the wider world that Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back suggested that exists just beyond the edge of the frame.

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u/Lexerrrrr Sep 28 '22

Seriously. I fucking love this rim world shit they are putting out. It just feels so real, you see the struggles of the majority of the galaxy's population, rather than fixating on the grandiose of the empire and more developed planets.

I love how it shows the idea that the Empire is a limited body, in the fact that they can't be stationed at every and all planets, and then to see the civilian life on these rim worlds is just fascinating.

The star wars universe is fucking ginormous, it's amazing they haven't explored this sooner

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u/LegendsStormtrooper Imperial Stormtrooper Sep 28 '22

Andor is the key to all this.

Rogue One is perhaps my favourite SW movie and Andor is shaping up to possibly becoming my favourite SW series.

And so far the "bad guys" have also seemed pretty competent in all episodes, just like in Rogue One. I just hope stormtroopers get the same treatment once they show up

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u/wbruce098 Sep 29 '22

Yes!

You could see the fear in the faces of the corporate police, they knew they were in a war zone and might not make it out.

And the bureaucratic infighting and minutia of the ISB pleases me as much as their regulatory requirements of the corporates. Better upload those receipts to DFAS or there will be no compensation for your losses, Corpos!!

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u/hey_rowsdower Sep 28 '22

I never knew I'd be so into the bureaucracy of the Empire, but here we are.

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u/guyver423 Sep 28 '22

Coruscant. Now that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time

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u/JumpStephen Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I like that the caption for Coruscant was “capital of the galaxy”

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u/LegendsStormtrooper Imperial Stormtrooper Sep 28 '22

I quite liked it as well. It gave some odd feeling. Powerful, grande maybe?

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u/JumpStephen Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Definitely felt grandiose! It’s been ages since we’ve seen Coruscant in live action (besides the flashback scenes in Rogue One/Obi-Wan Kenobi), so it feels like some sort of grand return of Coruscant to the big screen. We know that Coruscant is an incredibly important Core world, but I feel like seeing the caption “capital of the galaxy” just cements the idea that Coruscant isn’t just any old Core world. It’s the capital of the galaxy.

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u/Aliensinnoh Sep 28 '22

I know we got some establishing shots of the city in Kenobi, but I’m so glad to be back on the planet for real. Aside from very brief glimpses out the window in Rogue One it’s been 17 years since we really saw Coruscant in live action before this year. Honestly when the Andor trailer came out my biggest reaction was looking at live action Coruscant and thinking “you’re as beautiful as the day I lost you.”

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u/guyver423 Sep 28 '22

Diego Luna and Stellan Skarsgård acting is phenomenal in this show

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u/FloppyShellTaco Sep 28 '22

Stellan is just vibing through life making all the right choices, and having a lot of fun doing it

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u/ProfessionalNight959 Sep 28 '22

Or has one damn competent agent or makes the right moves intelligently by himself. He's in everything, and so are his sons. The Skarsgård family is it's own thing in the business at this point.

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u/NoNefariousness2144 Sep 28 '22

It helps that the success of one Skarsgård helps the others. At this point studios are happy to get any of ‘the Skarsgård brothers’.

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u/Level69LaserLotus Chopper (C1-10P) Sep 28 '22

Their dialogues are so well written and well acted. Concise but gets to the point. Looking forward to see how their relationship evolves.

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

Luna is blowing me away. I've not seen him a lot, and know English is his second language. Acting all around has been phenomenal on this show.

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u/Knowingspy Sep 28 '22

He's obviously in Rogue One, but his Spanish stuff is good - Y tú mamá también (Alfonso Cuaron film) where he's very young, and Narcos México are good bets.

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u/ChanceVance Kylo Ren Sep 28 '22

That helmet on the suit of armour in Luthen's study is Starkiller's Sith Stalker helmet from The Force Unleashed!!!

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u/squanch_solo Watto Sep 28 '22

I knew I had recognized it! There was a second one in the back as well.

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u/TurdSandwich42104 Sep 28 '22

There was also that stone tablet thing from rebels in there that’s the instructions to open that world between worlds

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u/The_High_Ground27 Sep 28 '22

Can't believe more people aren't talking about this. It can't be the same tablet from Lothal so that's from another entrance to the WBW, somewhere we don't know, with the Father, Son and Daughter markings on it.

Also somehow it isn't in Palpatine's possession yet, perhaps a certain blue art collector might be interested in it.

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u/ThatWittyHandle Sep 28 '22

I never played that game but knew it looked familiar. Thanks for catching that.

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u/DustyDGAF Sep 28 '22

Ponchos in star wars are always so cool looking

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u/phuk-nugget Sep 28 '22

Loved using different colors on Cal Kestis

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u/valarpizzaeris Sep 28 '22

Luthen really went full Robert California when he changed lol

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u/Level69LaserLotus Chopper (C1-10P) Sep 28 '22

His little moves trying to get into “character” was silly but brilliant.

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u/AmishAvenger Sep 28 '22

He’s like a Disco party man

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u/DustyDGAF Sep 28 '22

His space wig looks great

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

I hear lots of people go missing in the finger lakes.

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u/16hungm Sep 28 '22

Mon Mothma is pure grace. Seeing shades of her in early Leia, wonder if they were close

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u/ColdSteel144 Jedi Sep 28 '22

wonder if they were close

Almost certainly, given Mothma's close working relationship with Bail. I imagine she was one of Leia's mentors as a junior senator.

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u/Trekman10 Sep 28 '22

The Leia novel shows Mon Mothma as one of the few to not treat her as a child and like an actual, capable potential member of the rebellion

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u/Videowulff Sep 28 '22

At least in the EU, Leia and Mon were very close. She admired Mothma like a second mother and Mothma helped Leia understand the bigger picture of the galaxy and its politics. They were a great team

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u/FloppyShellTaco Sep 28 '22

I hope she gets to hang that insufferable husband out to dry.

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u/ErrantIndy Mandalorian Sep 28 '22

Oof, seeing Mon Mothma, mother of the Rebellion, in a loveless message with some dispassionate, Imp sympathizer HURT. It’s just so damn tragic. Perhaps we see why she threw everything into starting Rebellion, she had nothing to lose.

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u/the-giant Sep 28 '22

And unlike many, many others we've seen Mothma survived through it all. She has been through it from her earliest days in public service. I have no idea what the canon is on her post-OT but I hope she's on some remote resort planet living it up in her old age and letting everyone else worry about that First Order mess.

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u/punk_steel2024 Sep 28 '22

The books I believe say that she ends up becoming Chancellor after the war, and works to demilitarize the New Republic. By the time of the Bloodlines book (which is a few years before TFA), she steps down. As far as the ST goes, I don't think they say where she ends up after that. So she's either dead or retired.

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u/aurules Sep 28 '22

Everything in this show feels so real.. absolutely incredible set design

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u/TheGoverness1998 Sep 28 '22

It's very well done. The ISB Headquarters looked absolutely amazing. It's an insufferable amount of white in the interior that perfectly parallels the uncomfortable aura of the Empire.

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

So stark and clean contrasted to the filthy rebels. Love it

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u/AmishAvenger Sep 28 '22

I had the same thought. When I saw Mon Mothma’s apartment I thought “Well that wasn’t cheap to build.”

Even the area where Deputy Jerk’s mom lived looked awesome, and I’m sure a lot of that was extended with CGI.

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u/Autoganz Sep 28 '22

I’m watching this, Rings of Power, and House of the Dragon. Andor is hands down my favorite of the three in terms of visual design.

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u/MTFBinyou Sep 28 '22

That looked a lot like Sith armor…

That a certain Starkiller may have wore?

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u/Rudraakkshh Sep 28 '22

It definitely looked like Starkiller's Sith armour. It may just be a reference/Easter egg to him though. I doubt it means anything more then that.

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u/aurules Sep 28 '22

Lol at the Corpo guy having to move back in with his mom

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u/AFalconNamedBob Sep 28 '22

His mom back on Coresaunt

He's gonna bust the dealer as a spy

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u/raknor88 Sep 28 '22

I didn't realize that the series was 12 episodes. We're just at the start. By seasonvs end the corporate dude might just end up working with Andor in the rebellion.

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u/your_mind_aches Supreme Leader Snoke Sep 28 '22

I honestly didn't think that's the direction he was going in. I really thought he would rise in the Imperial ranks. I mean that could still happen considering we have five whole years to cover.

But man if the Empire views this that poorly, he may really go over to the Rebels.

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u/novacolumbia Sep 28 '22

I suspect he'll start working with Meero. They both seem very similar in their determination and ladder climbing.

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u/raktoe Sep 28 '22

Yeah, I think that was set up (I’m assuming we’re talking about the blonde woman). They’ve basically both had the same arc to this point, shut down by superiors, peers less interested in following more than procedure.

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u/mextli17 Sep 28 '22

“whaddaya lookin’ at??”

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u/UUC1P1RATE Sep 28 '22

The set for that place is actually the building I live next to lol

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u/DustyDGAF Sep 28 '22

Chekhov's blue kyber crystal

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u/Lubo_San Sep 28 '22

Yeah we might see some pretty interesting payoff in later episodes.

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u/Nomadhero_ Sep 28 '22

Chekhov's imperial dam too

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u/DavidMerrick89 Sep 28 '22

It's funny to think how Genevieve O'Reilly was cast for a couple brief scenes as Mothma that were ultimately cut from Revenge of the Sith and now she's defining the character more than Caroline Blakiston ever got to in Return. Good for her.

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u/SaltySAX Sep 28 '22

She played her in Rebels too. Always wanted more Mon Mothma though, glad we are seeing this and exactly who she is, and has to put up with, at the senate, Coruscant and her bloody wrong 'un husband!

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u/Jottelott Sep 28 '22

Mon Mothma stole the show. First her talk with Luthen and her fearful observations that it’s „all new faces“ and the risks she takes with what she’s doing (probably my all time favourite dialogue of Star Wars) Her little and very subtle jab at „the rich history of Chandrila“; And the talk with her husband showing the values that she holds. Amazingly written

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I love that she can’t come home and relax either. She’s trapped in every way.

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u/SaltySAX Sep 28 '22

Yes you can see in Luthen's dealership and at home, she is nearing the end of her tether.

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

That dude looks like a young tarkin

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u/leos-rdt Sep 28 '22

I know the ages and years wouldn’t match, but damn did those deep set eyes and really intense eye circles make him look like ROTS Tarkin

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u/FloppyShellTaco Sep 28 '22

Took me a bit to realize it was Qyburn from GoT. He looked so much like David Bradley in this.

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u/LifeByTheSword Sep 28 '22

And Vel Sertha(the leader on that planet Cassian arrives) is the Waif in Game of Thrones.

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u/Potatoslayer2 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

RAKATAN????? Is that the first time we've had mention of Rakatans in canon??????

EDIT: Turns out, it's the first live-action mention but not the first canon mention. The first canon mention comes from somewhere so obscure you'll never guess. Straight from Wookiepeedia:

The Rakata were first mentioned in the new Star Wars canon in the forty-seventh issue of the De Agostini magazine Star Wars: Build the Millennium Falcon,[1] published around November 252015.

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u/Rudraakkshh Sep 28 '22

The Mandalorian Wars are canon, Rakatan Infinite Empire is now canon and it's also confirmed that Tatooine used to have oceans on its surface in the ancient times. I wonder if the Rakatans glasses Tatooine in canon too just like they did in Legends.

I'm just waiting for the day they name drop Revan and the Jedi Civil War!

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u/ktElwood Sep 28 '22

The sets on this show just blew me away - again.

The ISB meeting room? The Antique shop? Mothma's place? Even the camp in the wilderness, Luthen's ship, the "airport" feeeels real.

It may not be fair to the other series..but holy smokes they look like Fan-Movies compared to Andor.

And thank god for some professional writting. Things make sense, things are interconnected, characters behave like real characters and not just props that talk to move to the next explosion.

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u/P1_Synvictus Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I think the other shows look like fan-made films because The Volume might actually be a hinderance to quality.

Edit: Except in the case of Mando, where I feel like The Volume’s “feel” is part of the show. It was the original Volume show, so it feels like it belongs there.

BoBF, and especially Kenobi - both felt very small and claustrophobic because of it.

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u/N8_Tge_Gr8 Loth-Cat Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Anybody else notice Indy's whip encased in carbonite? :)

Edit: @ 30:31. And I think those are Sankara Stones (from Temple Of Doom) next to the Holocrons in the back.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Rey Sep 28 '22

Are you for real? Somebody's gotta screencap that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I loved the line where Andor and Luthen talked about the diff factions and how they’re all the same. How Andor was just jaded. That he was a freaking cook! That entire ship scene was fantastic.

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u/lik_for_cookies Sep 28 '22

Oooo that Scarif name drop we all know what it means and what the “increase in construction shipments” is about, love the subtle details not too in your face but still connecting to the wider galaxy.

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u/Level69LaserLotus Chopper (C1-10P) Sep 28 '22

Also the Ryloth name drop! Thinking about Cham Syndulla.

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u/BearWrangler Qui-Gon Jinn Sep 28 '22

Now that's a series I would be down for

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u/LurkerInHiding Sep 28 '22

Was Scarif used as a construction shipment hub for the Death Star? I thought that Scarif was used as a research center and information hub.

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u/Cody2084 Sep 28 '22

Wookieepedia shows a reference from the Rogue One ultimate visual guide, that placed the still under construction Death Star in the vicinity of Scarif. "In 9 BBY, the Death Star, an armored battle station whose superlaser would be capable of destroying entire worlds, was moved from Geonosis to Scarif to continue its construction under the supervision of Director Orson Krennic."

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u/ReaddittiddeR Sep 28 '22

Longest episode released so far at 49mins. And FYI release time is always 10min prior to midnight PST.

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u/CommanderHavond Sep 28 '22

Did they just say Rakatan, as in rakata? Did that just happen?!

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u/Dickastigmatism Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Rakata Prime has been on the Canon galaxy map since 2015 and there's a Rakatan wraith box in Dryden Vos' office on Rogue One Solo, but this is the first time we've actually heard it in Canon and in its live action no less.

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u/guyver423 Sep 28 '22

Mon Mothma’s husband is a dick

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u/Ne6romancer Lando Calrissian Sep 28 '22

Its funny i always knew she was married but you never hear about him, no wonder she doesn’t bring him anywhere

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u/raknor88 Sep 28 '22

I have a feeling that her husband has no clue that she's working with the rebellion. Otherwise he wouldn't be calling her boring.

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

Dressed like the dude. I'm gonna call him space dude. That rug really tied the room together.

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u/Videowulff Sep 28 '22

I loved him. Why? Because he is a political asshole. He surrounds himself with political jerks who piss his wife off for the simple fact that he is bored and finds their company entertaining. His behavior belongs in one of those hard core serious dramas about politics and back stabbing and maneuvering so seeing it in Star Wars is so refreshing!

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u/captainhaddock IG-11 Sep 28 '22

I'll bet his presence actually provides cover for Mon Mothma. She might hate his dinner guests, but from the outside, it makes her household seem chummier with the establishment and less of a threat.

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u/Videowulff Sep 28 '22

Hell, him undermining Mon by inviting them over may actually work in her favor. They may see her as 'Well if her husband doesnt respect her. She is not to be taken ad a serious threat'.

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u/deededback Sep 28 '22

The mark of a good episode is that time flies and when the credits start, you wish the episode had been a lot longer or you could immediately start the next one.

Stellen nails the role so well and it's nice to see Mon Mothma finally get fleshed out.

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u/Farmfarms Sep 28 '22

You son of a bitch, I’m in

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u/Marin115 Sep 28 '22

Andor’s Seven

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

Is the blonde woman the one people thought would be a chiss because of her high cheekbones?

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u/Tommy-Nook Sep 28 '22

CORUSCANT!!!!

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u/FloppyShellTaco Sep 28 '22

I think that overhead shot might be my favorite ever of Coruscant. What a gorgeous, establishing shot.

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u/meekerbleaker Sep 28 '22

*everything* is just so gorgeous on this show. Just the ship sitting there looks fantastic!

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u/Colinyourmom Sep 28 '22

Really shows how high those buildings are, and just how deep and dark the bottom is.

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u/lik_for_cookies Sep 28 '22

Seeing the inside of the Imperial Security Bureau was really cool, something we don’t usually see.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Rey Sep 28 '22

They actually seem to have a lot of work to do day to day, considering their wide control of the galaxy.

Cassian said they were fat and lazy but, gotta give the ISB credit, they're putting in their own office hours, evil as they may be.

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u/EternalCanadian Ahsoka Tano Sep 28 '22

He probably thinks that because he’s only seen places like the garrison he’s about to rob. Fringe backwaters with literally nothing better to do but constant patrols beause there’s no enemies to fight or wage war against so the frontline troops get complacent and lazy.

Whereas the ISB are all about internal threats, counter intelligence and espionage. A thankless, covert job that never ends.

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u/timelordoftheimpala Sep 28 '22

A thankless, covert job that never ends

If there's one thing Andor has nailed so far, it's emphasizing this aspect of the Empire.

In the OT, Rebels, Fallen Order, etc. we all the see the ground forces of the Empire and how they carry out its tyranny, but here we're watching the monotonous and bureaucratic desk jobs that absolutely no one likes.

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u/Level69LaserLotus Chopper (C1-10P) Sep 28 '22

Luthen entrusting Cassian with the blue kyber crystal was such a great move - it’s both a token of confidence and an insurance policy at this stage of their relationship.

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u/Level69LaserLotus Chopper (C1-10P) Sep 28 '22

Do we think the person Mon Mothma was trying to bring into the fold is Bail Organa? Not sure if he’s already part of the movement by now.

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u/TeutonJon78 The Child Sep 28 '22

He was with Mon and Padme at the beginning.

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u/PeteCambellHairLinee Sep 28 '22

First canon instance of the Rakatans?

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u/williamtheraven Sep 28 '22

First actual proper mention of them by name, they've been alluded to a lot

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u/FERFreak731 Sep 28 '22

Linus has to be one of my favorite background character in Star Wars. I just find his mannerisms to be obnoxious, like the way he was standing when the Imperials were talking to him, Karn, and Hyne, and the facial expressions he was making when Karn was talking to him in episode 2

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u/cosmiccerulean Sep 28 '22

So happy to see Stellan Skarsgard flexing his acting chops, his character is incredible, maybe even more so than Cassian at this point.

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u/Testa_Inc Sep 28 '22

Showing us the gargantuan threat of the empire without even seeing a single stormtrooper. Absolutely amazing show so far

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u/Vindicare605 R2-D2 Sep 28 '22

Actually, it works better because Stormtroopers have had the unfortunate quality of being goofed on so much throughout the franchise' history that they're no longer really the scary bad guys they are meant to be.

So instead they have a "don't show us the monster let us live in fear and paranoia of being watched" vibe instead which works a lot better for a whole variety of reasons. But the biggest one is that it captures that most people were afraid of the Empire without knowing how much of a paper tiger it was once you actually stood up to it. That's a good analogy for the nature of such regimes just in general.

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u/Spaceace91478 Chewbacca Sep 28 '22

Cone on Mon, gimme that jimmy smits

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u/figgityjones Luke Skywalker Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

This is the realest Star Wars has probably ever felt for me. Everything feels like it has an actual purpose. The ISB feels like a real branch of the Empire. Coruscant feels like a real place I could visit. I’ve never truly felt this feeling toward Star Wars. Don’t think a blaster was fired the whole episode either and I was sucked in the entire time. Not to mention those great little easter eggs in that museum or shop or whatever it was 👀 And not to mention either James from The End of the F—ing World and Micro from Punisher Season 1 popping up and blowing my mind that they now are in Star Wars. God this has officially become my favorite corner of the Galaxy. Always liked the Star Wars spy stuff, playing as an Imperial Agent Sniper in SWTOR was always a good time, but damn, for some reason this show just kicks it all up a notch. Can not wait for the next episode. 😃

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u/hackersgalley Sep 28 '22

Something this show does so well, and it mostly comes down to direction, is making you feel what the characters feel and why. I imagine the script said "Tie fighter flys over as cassian jumps behind rock", but instead of just a mindless action shot, you get a sense of fear that reminded me of the flashbacks in Terminator.

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u/cousin_geri Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

When you have a 12-episode season, you really get the opportunity to build up character development for a larger ensemble, giving me good reasons why I should care about these characters. Great storytelling, digging into both sides, while continuing to advance the plot and get me excited for the next episode.

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u/Autoganz Sep 28 '22

Yeah, I feel bad for the people who find this boring. I’m loving the pace. There’s also a lot of world building going on.

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u/cousin_geri Sep 28 '22

Agreed. I never want to find myself saying, "Why should I care about such and such and their plan/vendetta?" I enjoyed the slow build. Action will come and doesn't necessarily have to be heavily featured in every episode.

Also love the world building, which is another key component to my overall enjoyment of a series I initially cast off when first announced.

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u/EternalCanadian Ahsoka Tano Sep 28 '22

When the TIE fighters - ships we see so often get used for cannon fodder - appearing causes a pang of tension, you know we’re in for a good time.

I can’t wait to see a Stormtrooper for the first time.

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u/LilKaySigs Sep 28 '22

It’s amazing how much the Jedi and such have skewed our perspective so much in terms of determining power levels. One of the best examples was how the Mandalorian was struggling against a singular Dark trooper then Luke comes along and destroys them all so effortlessly

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u/agen_kolar Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Sly Moore is named dropped at 35:08 as an upcoming dinner guest of Mothma’s husband, as well as mention of “the Vizier,” who is Mas Amedda.

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u/timelordoftheimpala Sep 28 '22

Makes sense. While I doubt we'll see Palpatine himself, those are his two closest collaborators outside of Darth Vader, and it would make sense to see Mon Mothma dealing with them.

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u/mellophonius Sep 28 '22

Ars Dangor was also name dropped. He was another one of Palpatine’s advisors in the EU; I think he may have been mentioned in the canon Tarkin novel but I’m not sure

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u/OrderSwiftySix Sep 28 '22

Honestly very solid episode.

I’d say the theme for this episode was definitely “newcomer amongst the midst.” Cassian being a newcomer among the rebels, the Imperial officer lady among the ISB, Mon Monthma bringing a new member to “the circle.” (Edit: also spies/new faces among the Senate, Imperials on Morlana, etc.)

I fear people will complain this was another slow episode but a lot of name drops, information, and subtle nods to things as they build towards this heist next.

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u/Kokonut-Z Sep 28 '22

I know everyone is going to talk about the Starkiller armour and the Mandalorian armour but is it me or was there stone fragments with hand symbols that were from the Gods of Mortis mural in Rebels?

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u/ShadUpJoe Sep 28 '22

100%. There were multiple from what I remember- in the world between worlds episode, the imperial dude tells Sabine that they matched the drawings to info from the Jedi archives.

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u/ryanlaurenti Sep 28 '22

YO IT'S COUSIN RICHIE!

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u/ThatEvanFowler Sep 28 '22

This show is exactly what I wanted from Star Wars. It feels like an EU story from the 90's. The settings and characters feel so real and lived-in. The story is so complex and nuanced. I'm loving this so much. These are the angles of the universe that we never get to see and it is glorious.

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u/Lineman72T Mandalorian Sep 28 '22

Ohhhhh shit, we're getting a Star Wars bank heist!

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u/discipleofdoom Sep 28 '22

Didn't expect Andor to reference the Scottish Highland Clearances, of all things.

Nice to know that the production design team thought that The Jacob sheep was already alien looking enough to be in Star Wars without any alterations 😂

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u/Apidooom Hondo Ohnaka Sep 28 '22

Karn's mom's apartment district is just like the ones in Blade Runner

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

First time I'm aware of as an adult that the sight and sound of TIE fighters evoked fear in me on behalf of the characters. That sort of element had essentially become banal. Holding off on showing the classic Imperial visual motifs for moments like this demonstrates a masterful level of discipline in storytelling.

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u/Accomplished-Cow-758 Sep 28 '22

scared the shit out of me when they appeared so close

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u/MrSnufflePuss Sep 29 '22

They straight up reminded me of the Nazgûl in the Return of the King as they swoop down on Minas Tirith. I’m in love with this show lol

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u/Ezzme Sep 28 '22

This show is just so excellently written, Luna and Skarsgard on the ship could have been the whole episode and I would have loved it. Instead we have like 3-4 different plot lines all of which are incredibly interesting and flesh out everything the show is about. This show just feels special, this feels like if HBO proper ended up making a Star Wars show and put its budget behind it. It has a similar feel to House of the Dragon for me right now where I generally don’t like prequels as knowing how it all ends lessens my interest. But the show is so good on every level it outweighs that so much I don’t even care anymore.

I really hope this is a sign or a wake up call for where Disney takes Star Wars. Not everything has to do or be about Jedi, Sith and the force, the world has infinite possibilities where unique take son genres can thrive within it. Telling a good story you want to tell HAS to come first and the rest will fall in place. This show is the perfect example of that, Cassian Andor somehow has the more well made and compelling show vs Boba Fett and Obi-Wan two beloved characters of the series.

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u/RawrCola Sep 28 '22

I initially thought Luthen looked kind of like Kota and in this episode he had a kyber crystal and Starkiller's sith armor. I'm not saying he's actually Kota but I'm now a conspiracy theorist.

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u/timelordoftheimpala Sep 28 '22

I'd say Rahm Kota's role was split into Kanan Jarrus (Jedi mentor who goes blind and has a similar hairstyle) and Saw Gerrera (a much more brutal and less squeaky-clean dissident than the Rebellion).

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u/SymbioticCarnage Grievous Sep 28 '22

I mean, is it just me, or does his ship look a LOT like the Rogue Shadow, Starkiller's ship in the games?

PLUS! He has PROXY as his ship's AI! That's right, the same voice actor who played Proxy in The Force Unleashed also voices Luthen's AI! https://twitter.com/DavidWCollins/status/1572768277449027584?s=20&t=wc-Mq5X1BJG-NeSTjHuyOw

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u/Drew_Trox Sep 28 '22

I liked seeing the Imperial Officer version of the Jedi Council on Coruscant. It's such a good juxtaposition of "peace keepers".

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u/MasterTolkien Sep 28 '22

Jedi: Blah blah blah feelings, blah blah clouded blah blah send Obi Wan, I guess.

ISB: Your memo is horseshit. I am reassigning it to someone better educated. Everyone have their reports to me on time and free of typographical errors. I cannot divert resources based on vagaries and untimely paperwork.

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u/Phaithful14 Sep 28 '22

I'd pay to listen to Luthen and Thrawn just sit down and discuss art tbh

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u/valarpizzaeris Sep 28 '22

Sick, Micro from Punisher is jn this. Noice!

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