r/WitchesVsPatriarchy ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Where my Brujas at? And which ancient deity given a new xtian name is your favorite? Deities

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u/IMMADUCK-NARS Oct 02 '22

I totally have this on my wall. It’s so beaten up from being on my wall probably since before I was born. I thought this was standard in Catholic households. It just appears. You don’t own it- it owns you, lol.

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u/GingerPhoenix Oct 02 '22

As a born and raised Catholic…can confirm.

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u/Serenity_Aurora Oct 02 '22

Same, that was up on my wall through multiple moves throughout childhood. pretty sure my mom even tried to give it to me when I moved out lol

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u/lacroixgrape Oct 02 '22

I was raised Fundagelical, non-denominational protestant (Open Plymouth Brethren to be precise) and we had this painting in our house and several other members houses too. I think it's universal- it just shows up.

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u/katieoffloatsmoke Oct 02 '22

I was raised Methodist and my parents have had this as a fridge magnet for my entire life (28+ years)

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u/IvanMars Oct 02 '22

I remember it hanging on the walls of my house since I was born

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Latine ftw

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Yea no worries. Im from LatAm so im aware, but glad for others to get up to speed too.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22 Wholesome

That said, I will disagree that Latino is gender neutral. Used to just be Latin in USA, not sure how it moved to Latino/a and then therefore Latinx to make it gender neutral. I do appreciate appreciate native Spanish speakers introducing the gender neutral “e” tho. I never liked that there could be a room of 10 women and one man walks in and the collective would then have to be referred to as male. Glad we’re evolving away from that, tho it will take a few generations to catch on im sure.

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u/saddiesadsad Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

As a latina I agree. We most of the time address people in a room by acknowledging both men and women, a lot of us don't accept using just the male version of words and call it neutral, it isn't. Somos latinos y latinas.

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u/BornVolcano Gay Wizard of the DID System ☉♂️ Oct 02 '22

Was the same in French. Blessed be the “iel”

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u/LeNightSkye Oct 02 '22

Latine is definitely better than lAtiNx

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u/mckmw Oct 02 '22

YESSSSS! When my students (usually a girl) ask why it’s that way? My answer is now “because the patriarchy.” 😈

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u/soundbox78 Oct 02 '22

My Spanish teacher would say the same thing. We would ask her that all the time. She was such a sweet lady. RIP Maestra Paepke.

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u/MadMaudlin25 Oct 02 '22

I love Latine, rolls of the tongue so much better than Latinx.

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u/WitchesRising Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 03 '22 Take My Energy

It came from Latino diaspora... I know this comment got a lot of votes but it's misinformed.

Edit: it's important to point out a lot of hate of the term 'latinx' has undercurrents of homophobia and gatekeeping towards bilingual Latinos not being Latino enough and for creating a 'spanglish' word. As someone pointed out latin American is a term that is only heard in English yet you don't hear an uproar about that... Latinx was not created by white people but by queer Hispanics in the USA. You don't have to use the term if you don't like it but people should be allowed to choose what suits their own personal identity... The only thing forceful I see here is the people hating on the word not from the people who identify as Latinx who have been peaceful.

I am a cis latina and personally do not use Latinx. I have no other agenda then to stop the spread of misinformation on this comment

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u/ImpNdingDoom Oct 02 '22

I've never heard it pronounced. Does that mean mean it's meant to be pronounced latinEX not latinEQUIS?

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u/sw0rdmaidXn Oct 02 '22

I used to think it was pronounced like "la-TEEN-ex" but apparently it's more like "Latin Ex" which just feels awkward to say

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

I prefer to pronounce it Latinks 😜

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u/WickedFairyGodmother Oct 02 '22

That’s how I mentally pronounce it when I read it. Makes me visualize Tinkerbell in a beret and striped shirt, smoking a cigarette with much ennui.

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u/Sticking_to_Decaf Oct 02 '22

Hey I really appreciate this. I’ve been concerned about using Latino or Latino/a as I want to be inclusive of nonbinary and trans folks. Latine seems like a good alternative and I am really happy to have another option.

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u/No-Plastic-7715 Oct 02 '22

100% this!!

Latinx as a term annoys me so much, not due to any hate towards gender nonconformity, but that the affected community makes it clear that it isn't what they want, it can't be pronounced easily in Spanish, and they already made words for this purpose that are being overwritten by what the anglicised prefer.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

The community is not a monolith tho. Some use it to self identify.

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u/_Mach___ Oct 02 '22

Latina checking in. I keep trying to explain this lol. I know many people mean well but it doesn't make a lot of sense and is forced upon us.

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u/BornVolcano Gay Wizard of the DID System ☉♂️ Oct 02 '22

Okay, I always use Latine, but it’s good to hear that it’s definitively the correct one (if you’re specifically trying to be inclusive). Thank you!

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u/random_star0350 Oct 02 '22

Thank you! As a Latina I can't help but roll my eyes whenever I read Latinx. It's so forced and uneducated, sadly we have q history of USA forcing a lot of things in LATAM.

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u/friesordie Geek Witch ☉ Oct 02 '22

Just wanna say that it's always good to check in first. I'm a NB Latinx person and I like to use this term for myself. It rolls off the tongue for me and I don't assume that every Latine person I come across hates it (though I'm aware that many people do and am careful when I use it... which is also a frustrating experience when people assume that I'm okay with being referred to as Latino just because they hate the word Latinx themselves). I'm also okay with Latine.

Latino may be traditionally used as the "gender neutral" term, but there are valid reasons why many Latine folks don't consider it as such and I don't personally like it or use it as such either. This is not representative of many peoples' opinions and we are not a monolith. ✌🏽

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u/giokyuu Oct 02 '22

how is Latino gender neutral but Latina is supposed to be the "girl version"? why not just say latino?

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Bc male is default and female is othered 🥸 which is why Latine is a step in the right direction

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u/giokyuu Oct 02 '22

fair enough :) (the latine part not the call at misogyny)

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u/Xxtratourettestriall Oct 02 '22

I'm a little confused, are you saying that u/sailorjupiter28titan 's comment was not right to call out misogyny?

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

No, i believe they are saying Latine is fair, but misogyny is not fair.

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u/Dummyact321 Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Latinx was created by trans and nb Latinos, PR if I recall. The earliest usage is from an academic paper from the 70’s (edit: no clue why I wrote the 70’s, earliest usage I’ve seen noted is the early 2000’s 😵‍💫) If you (edit: you in the general sense, not you specifically) don’t like it you don’t have to use it, but it was created for a reason.

Edit: also, yes , as you mentioned there is Latine, sorry for failing to acknowledge you mentioned that in my response

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

It was created by people of Latin descent living in USA. So while it was created within the Hispanic community, it was not created by native Spanish speakers afaik.

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u/Dummyact321 Oct 02 '22

True, and a notable distinction to make given the experiences of Latin people in the US are not the same as those in LatAm. Re: the origins they seem to be a bit iffy, some mention the paper I mentioned, some suggest earlier usage online. I found a Spanish language essay collection from 2004 that may use it (the font is tiny and I don’t have my glasses rn 😹). But it’s definitely been in use prior to the last few years, and by Latinos. My comment was more getting to that point.

There is this narrative that it’s being forced on the LatAm community at large and that it didn’t come from us and that ALL Latinos HATE it!! When those things aren’t true. I get that some may dislike it but, yeah … just don’t use it. It clearly has cultural significance to some of us and nobody is being forced to use it anymore than they would any other word in any language.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Agreed! A lot of the people who are vehemently against it just don’t want to have to make changes to be more inclusive. Like many will also reject the new gender neutral “e” which does have latin origins.

At the end of the day, Latin America is huge and there is no one single term that will please everybody. Personally I identify the most with “hispanic” and that’s what I generally use for myself.

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u/Dummyact321 Oct 02 '22

Good chat :)

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

🤎🖤🤍

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u/Same_Dingo2318 Oct 02 '22

I’m glad we’re doing nuance here.

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u/WitchesRising Oct 02 '22

It was created by bilingual people. Being born in the US does not make you less Latino.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Agreed

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u/MwahMwahKitteh Oct 02 '22

I've only ever seen it being used by white people.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Well now u have bc the twitter acct that posted it is Latin :)

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u/MwahMwahKitteh Oct 02 '22

Good point. I should have written before.

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u/Same_Dingo2318 Oct 02 '22

Spread the truth!

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u/MwahMwahKitteh Oct 02 '22

Can you source that paper?

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u/Dummyact321 Oct 02 '22

I just read my comment and I have NO idea why I wrote the 70’s 😹 it may have been used then, but most (third party) sources cite the early 2000’s. Im looking for that paper and any other concrete sources. I mentioned that I found a collection of essays from 2004, I have to look through that, but will post if I find that paper

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u/Thirteencookies Oct 02 '22

I actually originally heard it from Hispanic people, specifically nonbinary Hispanics in America if that means anything.

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u/DutchessAgares Literary Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

Latinx was primarily created to give a voice to queer Latin Americans. It was popularized in the internet age, along with Chicanx. While I agree with the first commenter's point that many Latin American people will take offense to the title, a lot doesn’t mean all or even most. My professor in Chicana/o studies sent me to this article. It's important to note that there can't and shouldn't be a single empirical word to encompass all members of the Latin American sphere, because it would generalize such a vast group and disregard the beliefs of communities that don't see themselves as Latin American. Latine can and should be one title, but not the only one.

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u/Reluctantagave Literary Witch ♂️ Oct 02 '22

Me too and I still use it, mostly in written stuff and will say Latina spoken or Latine. I am Latina too.

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u/HildemarTendler Oct 02 '22

Please don't spread misinformation. Latinx was not invented by white people. Your suggestion of Latine is great though.

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u/jimineycrickette Oct 02 '22

Agree. My family is Cuban and I’m all about updating language, but LatinX just doesn’t jive with the language. It’s awkward. My abuela couldn’t say it. Latine, on the other hand, is nice!

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u/MystiNebula Oct 02 '22

I was about to comment something similar, but you expressed it perfectly, thank you for that

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u/AppropriateScience9 Oct 02 '22

Thank you so much for the info. I had wondered about Latinx! It always seemed pretty forced to me too. I appreciate your insight!

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u/sklslldlk Oct 02 '22

why can’t i say latina?

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u/Zebirdsandzebats Oct 02 '22

how do you pronounce Latine? Lat-in-ay? La-teen?

just curious, if Latino is good enough for Latinos, it's good enough for me. Bold stance, i know, People getting to pick what they're called.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Pronounced “Latineh”.

The letter E should be pronounced as “eh” in general, not as “ay” and not silent.

Edit: would actually be “lah-tee-neh” bc the letter “i” is pronounced “ee”.

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u/Zebirdsandzebats Oct 02 '22

helpful! Ive got some Peggy Hill Spanish pronunciation over here lol.

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u/rusoJnartleB Oct 02 '22

A Italy it’s not created by well intentioned white propel. It’s a term mainly used by you get millennials and Generation Z because of the need to have a gender neutral term for everything. It’s uniquely a Term from the US that has spread as the norm even though most people of Hispanic origin prefer the former

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u/Same_Dingo2318 Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

I like the term Latinx. Not all Hispanic people are big with it, but it’s a mix of languages that I like. Feels representative of mixed people like me. But I can call you Latina or what have you. I respect what others want to be called!

Edit: I first heard the term from John Leguizamo. He seems to be pretty sharp.

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u/SlashRepeller Oct 02 '22

Latinx was coined in Latin America BY LATINOS. And it was never meant to be spoken. When will y’all stop spreading misinformation 🙄

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u/joschi8 Oct 02 '22

I was just about to ask if this community here has Latine people that actually like the "Latinx" term, but your post doesn't just answer my question, it even gives me a better understanding o the preferred terms. THANK YOU!

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u/AdorableParasite Oct 02 '22

Came here looking for this, thank you.

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u/lillyunderscore Oct 02 '22

Yes thank you thank you!

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u/littleray35 Oct 02 '22

gracias por explicarle :)

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u/foxnon Oct 02 '22

Yes I can fully confirm this thank you for saying something 🙏

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u/Mrdrewit Oct 02 '22

Thank you! That X is the worst idea ever fucking conceived. Why do the worst ideas for new words always get picked up by everyone???

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u/Nyx-Of-Darkness Oct 02 '22 Take My Energy

It was invented to be used in research papers and was never intended to be spoken. It was only meant to be more clear in an environment where specificity was important and used the common way of doing that at the time, replacing the thing that can change with an x, presumably based on the use of x as a common variable in math. The only reason we hear so much about it is bc a bunch of queerphobes made a big deal out of it and, mistakingly thinking that it was something it wasn't, the term was adopted by some queer people. The reality is that English speakers shouldn't care bc the term "Latin-American" exists for people from Latin-America.

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u/AwYeahQueerShit Oct 02 '22

Is Latine pronounced Lah-teen or Lah-tin-eh?

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u/daniellefore Oct 02 '22

Like “lah-tee-neh”. In Spanish the “e” isn’t silent at the end of a word. This suffix is already in use for other gender-neutral words like “verde” or “inteligente” so it fits very naturally into the language following all the same grammatical rules. There’s also natural pronouns this way: “elle” and “elles” pronounced “eh-yeh” and “eh-yehs”

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u/AwYeahQueerShit Oct 02 '22

Oh, knowing it's like verde definitely helps, thank you!

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u/daniellefore Oct 02 '22

No problem! I’m a proponent of this solution for making our language more inclusive ❤️

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u/elathan_i Oct 02 '22

Only the H is silent in spanish, except after C or H (CH, SH), it's the second one.

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u/CosmicSweets Oct 02 '22

Thank you. I didn't know this either. I thought it was our community who was making the changes.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

It was our community who came up with it. Mainly the bilingual diaspora. That part is a misconception. Regardless, there are less controversial alternatives.

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u/dpforest Gay Wizard ♂️ Oct 02 '22

While we are on the subject, can someone educate me on why “folks” is offensive and is now written “folx”

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u/angery_alt Oct 02 '22

No one is offended by “folks”, and some people sometimes spell it as “folx” just because they like it that way.

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u/Nyx-Of-Darkness Oct 02 '22

I think you got trolled bc folx is just a slightly shorter way of writing folks that has nothing to do with queer ppl

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u/xthefabledfox Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Oct 02 '22

How do I pronounce Latine? Want to be respectful and informed :)

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u/Slyfer60 Oct 02 '22

Latino is gender neutral? I thought Latino=male, Latina=female.

In these situations it often comes down to the individual what they prefer. In Latin America Latine is functionally better due to the language already possessing the gender neutral suffix "e" like "estudiante". This will take less time to integrate into casual parlance. In my limited experience of the Spanish language the "ix" noise is largely absent (it may crop up occasionally) so the word Latinx is a Spanish-english word hybrid. Latin America is going to struggle using the term as English isn't used in their daily life. However the dual language nature of Spanish speaking US citizens is more likely to find Latinx less awkward due to their understanding of both languages.

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u/Spectre_Hayate Gay Wizard ♂️ Oct 02 '22

Isn't it also like, really hard to say, at least naturally? I have no clue since I'm actually trash garbage at Spanish but I thought that was one of the worst parts about it (aside from it being forced obv)

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

That’s not really true. The x is used in a lot of Spanish words: exactamente, axila, auxilio, conexión, etc.

Mexico is the only country afaik that uses it as an “h” or “j” sound, bc of their indigenous cultures.

Regardless, Latinx is supposed to be used in English, not Spanish. And i agree it’s not a good alternative there either since they can simply say “Latin”.

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u/predy_mama Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Oct 02 '22

Saint Brigid, that tricky witch. She and her sisters are my favorite.

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u/namewithanumber Oct 02 '22

Probably every catholic house had (has?) that painting lol

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u/rebrandingmyself Oct 02 '22

My family’s Irish but this unlocked deep memories of this exact painting being in our bathroom for 20 years

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u/420eastcoastbarbie Oct 02 '22

My family is Irish Catholic and I had hanging on my bedroom wall throughout my childhood.

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u/silentsaturn91 Oct 02 '22

And from an Irish Catholic family as well and this was on a laminated prayer card I would read from at bedtime when I was a little girl

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u/Wracam_pokonany Oct 03 '22

I had this prayer card too! I used it as a bookmark

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u/Yams_Are_Evil Oct 02 '22

My Oma had a very large version in her bedroom, my sister has it now. So your family keeping it in the bathroom makes me chuckle. How irreverent. 😂😂

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u/silverwillowgirl Oct 02 '22

My family is also German and I had this painting in my room as a kid :)

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u/Princeofbaleen Oct 02 '22

It's def an irish catholic staple as well, we have one too

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u/chamomilehoneywhisk Oct 02 '22

My family is Irish Catholic too and I definitely have seen this painting hanging in a lot of homes. It was hanging at the top of I’m the stairs in mine.

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u/HonorInDefeat 0. The Fool. Absolute Cretin. Oct 02 '22

I remember my grandma had this painting! Didn't realize it was a universal thing!

Also, insert boilerplate about "Latinx" being generally disliked in the broader community blah blah debate linguistic ethics etc etc

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u/Burnt-witch2 Literary Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

This painting will always remind me of my great grandma. We were very close and she was the only member of my family who wasn't an abusive AH. She told me this painting was me and my cousin and our guardian angel.

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u/I_Wupped_Batmans_Ass Eclectic Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Oct 02 '22

out of all my family, i was always the closest to my great grandma. she had this painting, and when i was little she told me that exact same thing but instead of my cousin it was my sister

EDIT: i just realized that its interesting my great grandma did this, because we're native american and as far as i know we dont have any hispanic heritage 🤔

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u/Burnt-witch2 Literary Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

That's so cool! Seems that great grandmas all over the world are the same lol :) mine was straight from Poland, and my great grandpa was Italian. They met as teens when their families both moved to the US.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

I have a friend that pronounces it “latinks” and i can never read it another way again.

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u/soundbox78 Oct 02 '22

Thanks, and now neither will I.

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u/SipSurielTea Oct 02 '22

We had this over our bed growing up

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u/ZiggyStarstuff Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Favorite old deity from the Muisca tribe in Colombia 🇨🇴 Huitaca, she is the goddess of witchcraft.

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u/lonelysof Literary Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

As proud as ever to be latina, even though that angel didn’t have its apparition here. But we have the biggest variation of virgins. The most close to me and the one I remember at the moment is La virgen del carmen. 🤍

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Yea! While I have many issues with Catholicism, I do like the emphasis on the mother as a deity of protection, and less so on a paternal god than other christian sects.

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u/lonelysof Literary Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

Ah, I do have issues with catholicism as well. Had my education in a catholic school and used to pray literally everyday but grew farther from this masculine perspective of god. I like the virgins more. And I pray to whoever is listening, because they are, and they are taking care of me. I think of god as the universe, as this whole mass of energy and love and brightness.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

🤎

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u/Daunt_Creative Oct 02 '22

When I was a kid and my mom was still kind of religious (Irish catholic) me and my sister had this painting hung on the wall over our beds, we called it the Guardian Angel painting and were told it would keep us safe at night. What an unexpected blast from the past! Who is the original artist?

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u/SipSurielTea Oct 02 '22

I looked it up! It was by Lindberg

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u/Daunt_Creative Oct 02 '22

Oh thank you! I was hoping someone would just know offhand because I didn't feel like sifting through all the angel paintings out there, but thanks for taking the time :)

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u/brodrost Oct 02 '22

I'm a white girl from sweden and for some reason I had this in my room?? My family wasn't even Christian let alone Catholic.

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u/AnimaTrapDelaSangre Oct 02 '22

Odio la hispanidad, odio que los gringos nos escriban como "spanish people" por hablar el idioma. La hispanidad no se enseño nunca donde vivo pero lo que si aprendimos muy bien fue al saqueo, violacion y genocidio que dejo la colonizacion. Para nosotros octubre es resistencia, resistencia a tradiciones opresoras de cientos de años, que nos quitaron nuestra lengua, nuestra cultura, nuestras civilizaciones por todo al Abya Yala. Si hay algo latente por toda latinoamerica es la pobreza que dejaron los colonizadores y que mantienen los neoimperialistas, todos los grupos empresariales de latinoamerica, bancarias y de manufactura pueden ser rastreados al norte global a europa y eeuu, donde se enriquecen y desarrollan con nuestros recursos. Desde el renacimiento que su saqueo ha financiado todo su "mundo civilizado", de no ser por nuestras tierras, nuestra gente y nuestros recursos, el norte global seguiria matandose como en la epoca medieval pero se unieron para oprimir nuestros terrirtorios en el sur global de latinoamerica, africa y asia.

Algun dia recuperaremos nuestra libertad economica y seremos dueños de nuestra tierra, de nuestras montañas y nuestros rios. Les odio imperialistas culiaos

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u/ottereatingpopsicles Oct 02 '22

Preach! And thanks for teaching me the name Abya Yala.

The craziest thing (not the only crazy thing, but the craziest to me) about US policy toward asylum seekers and migrants on the southern border is that so many of those people are descendants of indigenous people. Like white people showed up, drew lines threw their land, and told them who was allowed to cross those lines and who wasn’t. Like we’re far from giving the land back, but at the bare minimum allow freedom of movement to the people who were here first.

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u/Boudicca- Oct 02 '22

Not a Bruja..and the Xtians (RCC) didn’t ‘Rename’ Her, they just straight up Stole Her and made Her a Saint…Brigid. Her ancient name was Breo-saighead {Fiery Arrow}, She is the Celtic Goddess of physicians and healing, divination and prophecy, among other things.

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u/CosmicLuci Oct 02 '22

I’m more of a Bruxa, I suppose, since I’m in Brazil.

Unfortunately I don’t know of any deities from here. I know folklore, and probably some of those used to be native deites (like Currupira, a spirit that protects forests and kills those who harm nature). But we unfortunately don’t learn much about any of the native cultures in Brazillian schools beyond vague overviews of how they related to colonizers. Certainly no mythology beyond those simple folklore stories.

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u/DeathAndTheGirl Oct 02 '22

I was raised Catholic, but am white. We were told this was a guardian angel. Was it supposed to be something else?

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Nope, this Angel painting was the guardian angel for us too. But many saints were placeholders for other deities from pre-colonization

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u/Riisiichan Oct 02 '22

The bible gives us a clear description of angels and we’re just like, “No! They looks like peoples!”

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u/soundbox78 Oct 02 '22

But in real life, all the angels I ever met were real people :)

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u/Jess_DrNurseMD Oct 02 '22

I have this painting, a small statue replica and a plate with it. I have no idea what it is or the purpose but at this point I believe that everyone has it

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u/alexynolife Oct 02 '22

Angel de la Guardia mi dulce compañia no me desampares ni de Noche ni de dia. Si me desamparas que sera de mi. Angel de mi Guardia ruega dios por mi.

I remember praying this as a very small child. Raised as a Catholic but not interested in churches or religion anymore.

Our guardian angel/ascended spirit guides.

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u/Darklove13 Oct 02 '22

Used to have a light up statue of that as a kid.

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u/willowzam Oct 02 '22

No hate but most of us latin people don't care much for the word Latinx, it was forced on us by white people who thought they understood our language and culture better than us

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Im hispanic, from LatAm, and I know that’s the general feeling, but it was created by the diaspora in USA, not by white people. English speaking diaspora tho, so I agree it shouldn’t be imposed on the rest of world, but I respect those who choose to use it to refer to themselves.

Edit, source: https://www.history.com/.amp/news/hispanic-latino-latinx-chicano-background

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u/willowzam Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

I don't have a problem with the idea of people using it, I'm just tired of white people of trying to explain my own culture to me. I'm sure OP (and others who use Latinx) are well-intentioned, I just think they if you make a word for another language, you should know the consensus on the use of the word from the culture that it comes from. I don't think all Latin people dislike the word either, I'm sure plenty exist that I haven't met, I'm just speaking from my experience with the other Latin people I know. For example, I saw somewhere in this thread about people from PR supporting use of the word, but the region I live in also doesn't have much PR influence so it would make sense that I wouldn't hear it in my circle which is mostly Mexican and Colombian. Sorry for the rant I'm high as shit

Edit: thanks for the link, good info

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

I dont think Latinx is for another language, it’s to refer to Hispanics in the English language. I also don’t believe it was created by Puerto Ricans, maybe the Boricua diaspora, but not the actual island. Source: am from the island, live in USA now. Only seen it used in English.

Im OP of the post, OP of the tweet is a “Latinx” brand based in California. Anyway, I understand both sides and am happy to be having this conversation here :)

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u/willowzam Oct 02 '22

Oh shit you are OP I'm tripping

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u/omnenomnom Oct 02 '22

Oh... I thought most of the Mexican had been white washed out of me but yup. My grandmother bought that for my room. Hung it up the day of my baptism stayed there until we moved in 8th grade.

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u/BlackJeepW1 Oct 02 '22

My mother is very Catholic and sent us to Catholic school and everything. I’m sure I’ve seen this painting more than once.

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u/Loveflowers420 Oct 02 '22

Still have this my grandma gave it to me ☺️

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u/random_words_kitten Oct 02 '22

Raised catholic, this was over my bed, I’ve spent many hours staring at it lol

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u/Medium_Reading_861 Oct 02 '22

I grew up with this image somewhere. Seeing it I recognize it like I’ve studied it before, but I don’t clearly remember where. Maybe my parents had it or my grandmother I can’t remember which.

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u/gorditabrava Oct 02 '22

Mi Virgin de Guadalupe

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u/LeighMagnifique Oct 02 '22

Commence the brujería!

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u/ExtraDependent883 Oct 02 '22

I've had this picture hung up in my bedroom my whole entire life

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u/Carnimaniii Oct 02 '22

Wh- my parents are Christian evangelic and its above their bed!!! I didn't knew about that

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u/iago303 Oct 02 '22

Urrakan, I'm a Taino Naboria and I keep the old traditions alive

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u/HistoryIsABagOfDicks Oct 02 '22

🙋🏽‍♀️I’m a baby bruja though and working on reconnecting to my indigenous roots. So I’m still learning and studying. But I cannot wait to be able to participate more and be able to share!

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u/missjadastar Oct 02 '22

My mom has a twin brother and my grandmother got them both a copy when they moved out!

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u/ImaNurse69 Oct 02 '22

My Cajun French grandma had this in her house lol

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u/Kyrathered Oct 02 '22

I was born and raised Baptist in Eastern Kentucky and this picture was on my father's wall and now on my kids' wall and I had no IDEA it was a Catholic thingy. COOL BEANS.

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u/theblushinglilac Oct 02 '22

When I was a kid I put a push pin directly through the star over the angel’s head lmao 📌🌟

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u/therabbitinred22 Oct 02 '22

We had this too, it had an ornate frame and the kids on the bridge were on a layer of glass a couple inches higher than the angel so it kind of has a 3d effect. I LOVED this when I was a kid.

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u/MoonChica Oct 02 '22

The funny thing is that my abuelita had that portrait hanging in her home too. 😂

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u/reclinerspork Oct 02 '22

Anyone else not really a fan of the term ‘latinx’ ?🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴 yes to the brujería tho

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u/Vegetable-Swimming73 Oct 02 '22

Spanish, like English, is a colonizer language that deserves zero respect 🤙

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Agreed. Any time someone cites RAE i roll my eyes. Some elitist organization on the other side of the world doesn’t get to tell me if the words I use are permissible.

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u/Vegetable-Swimming73 Oct 02 '22

What's RAE? I know French language has like a governing body but I didn't think there was anything like that for Spanish. There's so many deep regional variations....

And then people wanna police Spanglish like how do you even. Latinx is a Spanglish word to me. 🤷🏼 That's ok. Patois has to be valid or what are we even doing

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Real Academia Española aka Royal Spanish Academy 👑🤡

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u/Vegetable-Swimming73 Oct 02 '22

Lmaooooooooooooooooo that's hilarious I had no idea I was BREAKING REGULATIONS

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u/daddioooooooo Oct 02 '22

The idea of language policing bodies are ridiculous for many reasons, but from a linguistic POV (in a very simplified way to put it), an unchanging language is a dead language. Language is supposed to change and evolve as culture does. If it isn’t, there’s a problem. As long as everyone is more or less communicating with each other, there’s no true “wrong” way to speak

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u/Aubrimethieme Witch ♀⚧ Oct 02 '22

In case you didn't know, most of us consider latinx an insult. Use Latine, Latina, or Latino please.

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u/sw0rdmaidXn Oct 02 '22

Everyone seems to agree on Latine being the best option, I hope it becomes more mainstream

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u/Aubrimethieme Witch ♀⚧ Oct 02 '22

I hope so too.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

I invite you to check out the conversations already taking place on this thread

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u/Aubrimethieme Witch ♀⚧ Oct 02 '22

Ok I did, you point? It doesn't make using latinx any better. Most of us still consider it insulting. I even suggested actual appropriate terminology instead.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

A lot of queer/gnc hispanic people prefer to self identify as latinx. Calling it “insulting” is saying someone’s identity is an insult. It’s ok if you don’t like it, or don’t want to use it for yourself, and I agree Latine is a better option in Spanish.

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u/Aubrimethieme Witch ♀⚧ Oct 02 '22

Cool, call them that if they want to, but don't do that to the rest of us. I'm Latina not latinx. Yes that's why I SUGGESTED Latine.

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

All good im not trying to fight you. Just offering more perspectives

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u/StorytellerElla Kitchen Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

i thought Latinx wasn't widely liked?

i know there's, latino latina and latin (male, female, them)

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u/PickeledFrogs Oct 02 '22

Latinx is a no no

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u/MsJenX Oct 02 '22

Did anyone else also have the painting of the little girl being punished by facing the wall with her puppy by her side.

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u/notquitetame3 Oct 02 '22

Ok, I’ve been through all of the comments and I give up. How is this painting related to Latin Heritage Month and ancient deities?

I have no idea what this painting is called or who painted it and am not willing to fall down the Google rabbit hole of “Angel with two kids painting” so I’m really hoping someone can help?

Also am I the only person raised sorta Christian who’s never seen this before? (Parents never took me to church and I don’t recall any family members having it)

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

It’s a Catholic painting. A lot of Latin Americans are raised Catholic. It is of a Guardian angel, often gifted to children.

Due to colonization, a lot of deities of other religions had to be given xtian names in order to be legally worshipped. Many “saints” were actually just different deities, sometimes African, sometimes indigenous to the Americas.

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u/notquitetame3 Oct 02 '22

I knew that about colonization, I was just wondering if this painting was supposed to be one of the old gods. The post is either really unclear about the connection OR I’m just missing that bit of shared cultural knowledge.

Thanks for clearing it up!

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Nope no direct connection. Just that a lot of diff LatAm countries have diff patron saints w different origins. But the comments went another direction 😅

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u/the_alphabet_123 Oct 02 '22

I apologize for not knowing, but what does xtian mean?

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u/sailorjupiter28titan ☉ Apostate ✨ Witch of Aiaia ♀ Oct 02 '22

Christian