r/WitchesVsPatriarchy Oct 02 '22

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u/BootyThunder Oct 02 '22

Ok so I had to fact check and the aluminum/cancer link is what I have to offer on the topic:

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/myths/antiperspirants-fact-sheet

https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/blogs/health-and-wellness/2019/june/deodorant

https://www.breastcancer.org/risk/risk-factors/antiperspirants-bras

Tl;dr As of right now aluminum salts aren’t shown to contribute to breast cancer development. The studies haven’t been done so we really just need more info. So take this info with a grain of (aluminum) salt. Heh.

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u/Paleogal-9157 Oct 02 '22

I thought it was Alzheimer’s/dementia risk?

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u/borg23 Oct 02 '22

Yeah, I haven't heard the cancer one, just Alzheimer's.

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u/Portapandas Oct 02 '22

I heard the cancer and more so with like.. stuff they put in Talc. Though I don’t believe you run as much risk if you don’t shave .. which is nice…. But also I don’t know where I’m getting that information. could have pulled it from my hat.

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u/FinnegansPants Oct 02 '22

I thought the Alzheimer’s link had largely been disproven? I have no sources though.

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u/jeffroddit Oct 02 '22

It has been.

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u/pyrom4ncy Oct 02 '22

I think its because talc can be contaminated with asbestos

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u/BlackSeranna Oct 02 '22

I am pretty sure talc has been outlawed because of the asbestos content. Asbestos occurs naturally in talc.

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u/EveAndTheSnake Oct 02 '22

They can occur together naturally yes, but not all talc is found with traces of asbestos. The majority of worldwide talc is asbestos-free. Source: used to report on minerals.

It’s been a few years but I don’t remember talc ever being outlawed, do you mean just in beauty products? I know Johnson and Johnson announced they planned to stop selling their talc based baby powder recently so presumably talc in beauty products is still very much legal. It’s probably still in a lot of makeup, but it’s also widely used in industries like ceramics, paint and paper.

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u/wifeofpsy Oct 02 '22

Talc is still very ubiquitous in cosmetics and manufacturing. As you said most talc sources dont have asbestos and are ok to use. J and J is in a class action lawsuit because they own their own mines which do have asbestos and are being sued by a group of people who correlate their cancer with Jand J products.

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u/yukibunny Oct 02 '22

This is also to do with women of color who were told for years by their doctors that they should put baby powder in their vaginas to stop odor and dampness that is naturally there.

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u/wifeofpsy Oct 02 '22

Many women have that habit. I wasnt aware it was ever something targeted at WOC but Im terribly unsurprised.

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u/NegotiableVeracity9 Oct 02 '22

I'm going to agree and state most baby powder that I see on shelves is corn starch based.

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u/EmilyU1F984 Oct 02 '22

Yes an no. Talc can occur naturally with or without Asbestos.

The one from Asbestos containing mines is banned.

The other isn‘t.

So buy talc containing products from well regulated markets only. Cause cheap Chinese fakes will use the cheap otherwise unseeable talc.

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u/triangularbish Oct 02 '22

Yup. I managed a ceramics studio where we sold talc as a raw material used to make glaze (the glassy colored surface on ceramic objects) and about 10ish years ago our supplier changed the talc we were being sent. When I asked them they said it was because there was asbestos in it.

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u/Traditional-Bid2120 Oct 02 '22

Fun fact the FDA actually reversed that ruling because it turns out the lab that they hired to do testing accidentally contaminated the test.

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u/NotARobotDefACyborg Eclectic Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Oct 02 '22

Talc has been linked to several cases of ovarian cancer. Most women who use body powder tend to pat it into their leg and breast creases, and it travels, apparently. https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/2-billion-verdict-in-missouri-motivates-jj-to-settle-talcum-powder-lawsuits.html

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u/MwahMwahKitteh Oct 02 '22

That's when it used to be talcum and not corn starch based.

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u/CastorTinitus Oct 02 '22

You could get both, I’m not sure if they’ve stopped producing the talc version once they lost the lawsuit. It was only the talc version that was a problem.

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u/yukibunny Oct 02 '22

Then there's also the misinformation that's mostly distributed in public clinics (mostly in the south) that primarily serve low income people and people of color, that suggests women use talc in their most intimate body parts AKA you should put it in your vagina and vulva to "help with moisture and odor"

I was treated to this information by a OBGYN at the county clinic when I was in university in 2008 and didn't have health insurance. This so-called doctor also refused to write me and new prescription for birth control because "You're obese and birth control just doesn't work in obese women, loose 60 lb and then we'll talk," Thank God a bunch of my friends needed birth control too and we all made a trip down to planned Parenthood in Asheville, North Carolina.

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u/whatawaste2019 Oct 02 '22

This has always bugged me. Okay, so it travels, or whatever, but how does it get into the labia, then the vagina, then through the cervix, fallopian tubes, finally making its way to the ovaries to cause ovarian cancer....and only ovarian cancer? Doesn't make sense to me.

I don't mean I don't believe it can cause it...i just can't grasp how it doesn't also cause cervical cancer and other types too.

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u/EmilyU1F984 Oct 02 '22

Because every cell is different.

Smoking for example usually causes cancer in a specific type of lung cell.

Asbestos on the other hand causes cancer in the mesothel, that‘s a layer of cells pretty deep inside the lung tissue. The other cells just seem to be better protected against the pokey nature of asbestos.

Same with ovarian cancer, the fibers are extremely tiny. Tiny enough that the body can transport them. And since the cells in the vaginal lining/cervix and uterus seem to not be as susceptible to pokey asbestos, some fiber eventually ends up in the ovaries

Though obviously there’s also a rested overuse/misuse of the product, because it’s not supposed to be used on any mucosa. I.e. if it touches the labile minorae, or inbetween, you are doing something wrong.

But I mean eating the wrong kind of food can cause liver damage, while another kills your kidneys. Both of the not harming anything else.

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u/FURYOFCAPSLOCK Oct 02 '22

Some ladies may put the powder directly on the labia

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u/Frequent-Currency217 Oct 02 '22

They don't put anything in the talc. The minerals talc and asbestos are in the ground together. When talc is mined it's nearly impossible to not dig up the asbestos with it. Now, companies do have equipment that can separate a lot of the asbestos from the talc but not all of it. It's near impossible. So ANY product that has talc listed as an ingredient and claims it's asbestos free is lying to you. But they can make that claim as long as it's "parts per million" falls under the "safety" guidelines of the FDA.

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u/BeneficialMatter6523 Oct 02 '22

If anyone's interested, the podcast Verified: Dust Up is about the class-action lawsuit and it's quite informative about the history and the reasoning behind the correlation

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u/Portapandas Oct 03 '22

Thank you!!a

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u/Traditional-Bid2120 Oct 02 '22

It doesn't. The association actually came from metal workers who showed up with early stages of dementia they found that it was due to heavy metal poisoning because they were working without proper protective equipment so they were in contact all day every day with extremely high levels of metal particles.

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u/Procedure-Minimum Oct 02 '22

That myth is from a misunderstanding of biometals in the brain in AD.

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u/mylifeisathrowaway10 Oct 02 '22

They might not cause cancer but if you're not REALLY good at washing your pits you could end up with a nasty infection from antiperspirants because they block sweat glands.

Source: did not shower with usual thoroughness at college because communal showers are scary, had a very embarrassing trip to campus health center

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u/Wonderful-Bread-572 Oct 02 '22

When I use aluminum deodorant the lymph nodes in my armpit and breast swell up

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u/nnephy Oct 02 '22

Mine too!

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u/Wonderful-Bread-572 Oct 02 '22

Omg are you also allergic to metal jewelry?

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u/QueenSquirrely Oct 02 '22

Certain deodorants, esp if I use too soon after shaving, did this to me (I don’t use those ones anymore). I am allergic to certain metals… my mind is blown I never put two and two together!

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u/nnephy Oct 02 '22

Yes 😭😭😭😭 the only thing I can wear without reacting is 24 k gold

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u/Wonderful-Bread-572 Oct 02 '22

Gold is the worst for me, it eats my skin so bad

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u/nnephy Oct 02 '22

I think my biggest problem is silver

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u/RaisingAurorasaurus Oct 02 '22

IDK about direct studies, but there is most definitely a public trend of increased breast cancer with the time line that aluminum based antiperspirant came on the market. But what else became mainstream at the same time? BPA plastics. Artificial dyes and preservatives. Seed oils and highly processed grains and sugars.

I know I feel healthier when my pores can actually breathe...and also not smelling like vampire repellent gone sour in the process is a bonus!

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u/songbirdsdance Oct 02 '22

Another thing likely happened at the same time too... Increased awareness, education on the importance of self exams as well as screenings like mammogram and MRIs, and genetic testing which allowed for earlier screening for those at high risk of BC.

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u/plutothegreat Oct 02 '22

Agreed. Correlation =/= causation

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u/NegotiableVeracity9 Oct 02 '22

Also a ton of other chemicals were being used and dumped without much of any oversight.

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u/Serenity_Aurora Oct 02 '22

There's another study linking carageenan (a seaweed derived thickener used in a lot of products) to an increased risk in breast cancer, and every single article I've seen has linked back to the same study, in which the study basically argues that carageenan use has increased and so has breast cancer, but like songbirdsdance and plutothegreat have mentioned, correlation doesn't equal causation. I feel like it's just difficult to argue that anything that has increased in use over decades is the direct or indirect cause for any type of disease or sickness, since unless it has been proven in multiple studies done on humans that it causes anything, the increase in say, breast cancer diagnoses could merely be due to increased awareness

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u/EmilyU1F984 Oct 02 '22

At that point you are relating the number of pirates reducing with CO2 emissions though. A correlation doesn‘t mean anything at all, if you can‘t find a plausible causative mechanism.

And thing is: places that use Aluminium cook wares do not have increased incidences over the general population. So Al ingestion or absorption seems to be pretty unlikely to cause a problem.

Preservatives have been used for much longer, and all of the older ones are more toxic in short timeframes than the new ones.

The only problem with some remotely sensible evidence behind it is BPA.

Which funnily enough is the safest of the Bisphenol co-polymers.

Every single product that claims to be BPA free needs to be checked for being made from a type of plastic that BPA would ordinarily be used in. And if it does use such a plastic: throw it away fast.

BPA free is a total and dangerous scam: either the label is on polymers that wouldn‘t contain BPA anyway, or it denotes having replaced BPA with either known more toxic Bisphenols, or completely untested bisphenols!

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u/Womp_ratt Oct 02 '22

You know, I despise fake news about healthcare coming from the MAGA crowd, but it's just as dangerous coming from the left.

I know avoiding deodorant isn't the same thing as saying vaccines cause autism, but it's one thing to say "hey we see a trend we should study this", another to tell people to avoid something that's been pretty disproven.

If you feel better using deodorant instead of antiperspirant and like that scent and want to share, cool. But there's no evidence I've seen (feel free to prove me wrong because it's been at least a year since I've looked) that there's a tie between aluminum antiperspirants and cancer.

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u/Procedure-Minimum Oct 02 '22

I feel like aluminium free deodorant is for people who want to sweat while they exercise. The health fringe groups then latched into it.

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u/chewbekkers Oct 02 '22

There's other considerations for a low impact deodorant aside from aluminum alone. I like to use EWG's Skin Deep data when purchasing personal care products. Here is the link to this deoderant.

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u/c0balt_60 Oct 02 '22

The EWG isn’t really a reliable source since they often either ignore or cherry pick scientific data when it comes to their recommendations.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Ok but, sometimes there’s days where you need aluminum. The natural stuff is not enough for some folks or me 😭

Edit: please don’t down play other people’s preferences when it comes to your odor, of course beauty standards are socially construct, but priority number one is your own comfort.

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u/rcf2008 Oct 02 '22

I recently discovered I'm mildly allergic to aluminum and I switched to aluminum free deodorant. I don't miss the rashes, but I constantly feel like I smell terrible 🥲

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u/MelliferMage Oct 02 '22

I don’t know if it was aluminum or what but something in pretty much every “normal” deodorant was giving me bad rashes, so I switched to a natural one that goes on like lotion and yeah. It takes a bit for your body to adjust. I was stinky at first. But now I’ve been using it a while it actually works better than normal deodorants ever did. Just had to stick with it.

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u/mongoooses Oct 02 '22

Could be baking soda. That’s the reason the sensitive versions of Native deodorants don’t have baking soda. With baking soda I get a rash and my skin peels off.

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u/Back_to_Wonderland Oct 02 '22

Maybe that was my problem. I used Native for awhile and it made my skin all red and irritated. Regular types like Degree or Secret never caused any issues. I was also using the Billie razors and that could have contributed maybe. Switched everything up and no more problems.

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u/courtfucius Oct 02 '22

Use The Ordinary glycolic acid toner on your underarms after showering, thank me later!

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u/MsBitchhands Oct 02 '22

Or Pixie Glow Tonic glycolic acid

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u/clockworkedpiece Oct 02 '22

I switched from suave to the jars from little seed farm. Apply thinly or it can be irritating but it works. Bonus, my pits are no longer grey but skin toned. They also have a little variety sample bundle.

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u/SammTheBird Oct 02 '22

It’ll take some time but your body will adjust. Right now it’s trying to produce for what it’s used to (pore blocking aluminum). I would get nasty rashes before making the switch too. Started with the brand Ban but I rarely find them. Adidas has a decent one that uses “cotton-tech” to act as a semi-absorbent. Recently started using the Dove moisturizer one and love it!

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u/Aynessachan Geek Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

My husband has the opposite problem - switched to a very well-respected natural/organic deodorant and got a massive rash / chemical burn for days afterward.

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u/whatwhatwhat59 Oct 02 '22

This happened to me as well, it was so painful it felt like I couldn’t put my arms down

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u/Aynessachan Geek Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

Good to know he's not the only one lol! Though I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you found a good alternative!

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u/Throwawaychica Literary Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

Same here, I'm smelly.

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u/thatwitchofthewilds Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Oct 02 '22

I sweat a lot. And my sweat smells, I was not graced with no-smelly sweat. No I was cursed with my dad's sweat. If I don't want to stink up a room after lifting up my arms then I need good, strong smelling deodorant.

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u/pineappledaphne Oct 02 '22

I’ve gotten close to botoxing my pits because of my hyperhydrosis. Luckily with my med change it seems to be decreasing a bit but it’s still awful. Im a sweaty bitch and it stinks.

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u/thatwitchofthewilds Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Oct 02 '22

Never heard of hyperhidrosis so had to look it up. I might have learned why I get so sweaty when I'm literally just standing and doing nothing else. It's so annoying to be doing the same activities as my siblings or even just working in an air conditioned building and getting all sticky and wet. At least now I might be able to blame something.

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u/pineappledaphne Oct 02 '22

It’s a side effect of many medications, especially ones for depression & anxiety. I’m currently weaning off Effexor and no one told me that was a side effect. Then when I complained about excessive sweating (like you, I’d sweat for literally no reason) they made me do a bunch of endocrine tests, see specialists, change my BC, etc. until finally my regular doc was like oh I forgot to mention…. So frustrating. I use “zero sweat” and it works so well, and I can use it under my boobs too. Haven’t tried it anywhere else 😂

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u/thatwitchofthewilds Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Oct 02 '22

Well that explains everything! I got off my depression and anxiety meds earlier this year(I'm planning on getting on some again due to my mental health yo-yoing) and I did notice that once I got on those and birth control my sweat got a lot worse. I just assumed it was cause I was getting older. I'm still on birth control so that might explain why I'm still sweating so much. Thanks for the info!

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u/pineappledaphne Oct 02 '22

I’m off BC and on a low (soon to be no) dose of Effexor but I’m starting another medication that’s supposed to help with adhd but I’m worried about the side effects. It’s also been a royal pain in the ass to try to get meaningful treatment for my adhd (won’t prescribe stimulants even tho they’ve helped in the past). I’m fed up and tired of adhd impacting my life so negatively.

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u/BlackSeranna Oct 02 '22

Stay away from trazodone if possible. The side effects to that one can be bad, like tremors.

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u/reclaimingmytime Oct 02 '22

I am JUST learning about this. I’m a member of the Wellbutrin gang, 300mg chapter and I swear I can’t walk a block without sweating. And only last week did I learn it a known side effect of Wellbutrin and SSRI’s.

I haven’t tried these yet but I’ve been discussing taking an anticholinergic med like benztropine with my doctor. If you Google depression meds sweating, there are a few legit journal published case studies that pop up, which you can share with your doctor. (Mine had not heard of it.)

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u/foodangfooey Oct 02 '22

I’m using Wellbutrin and Naltrexone for weight loss and jeebus, the sweat just pours from my face. I’m like a damn fountain.

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u/reclaimingmytime Oct 02 '22

I honestly thought it was because I’d gained weight. On Prozac, I’d go beet red with a minimum exertion. And the sweat now, like, people NOTICE. (Can’t wait for perimenopause…)

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u/whymypersonality Oct 02 '22

When I started my antipsychotic/ antidepressant I started sweating. I had never had that be an issue before. My doctor was a total quack and told me it was just anxiety sweating….. like sir, I have had anxiety my whole life, why on EARTH would I only start sweating now after you put me on this new medication if it was JUST ANXIETY….that this other medication is supposedly TREATING!?!?!?

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u/okiedokieartofchokie Oct 02 '22

I have hyperhidrosis because I got it from my mom; I've been looking forever for a deodorant that isn't men's, smells good/deodorizes and helps the sweat. I recently found Dr. Teal's Aluminum free deodorant with magnesium + eucalyptus & essential oils; it works. I'm agonist done with the first one and will DEFINITELY be buying it again, and only using this one from now on. I've tried many natural deodorants, too. AND mosquitoes hate eucalyptus but love me, I hate bug spray, and I noticed they bit me way less after I started using this, so that may be an added benefit

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u/mindprince39 Oct 02 '22

I have to use men's stuff since I apparently inherited sweat glands. . .

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u/eford1216 Oct 02 '22

This thread is a game changer. I've been SO frustrated with BO in the last few years.... I always blamed it on my hormones changing when my kids were born BUT now I realize that I also started anxiety meds after they came along.

This is the first time I feel like I'm not alone with my sweaty, stinky pits and I have some good suggestions for products! Maybe I can finally give up on the graveyard of deodorants under my sink instead of cycling back through them every 6 months or so?

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u/okaybutnothing Oct 02 '22

My mom had hyperhydrosis, with her armpits being the most problematic area. She got Botox a couple times and swore by it. As she aged, the problem seemed to lessen, so she doesn’t get them anymore and also isn’t excessively sweaty!

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u/VidiVentura Oct 02 '22

I feel you, My sweat is also extremely musky. Being an extremly hirsute walking carpet of a man (I'm basically bigfoots cousin) there is a million places for that smell to get caught and amplified.

It's great when dating, it's a bloody nightmare when it's 6pm and I feel sheepishly guilty about subjecting people on the train to the human equivilent of wet dog smell.

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u/North-Appointment820 Oct 02 '22

i had this issue

found out i am sensitive to a lot of foods

now my sweat doesnt reek like death and i no longer have my dads stinky feets

massively changed my diet

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u/meechill Oct 02 '22

Try nuud! It works like magic

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u/lotusvagabond Oct 02 '22

The only “natural” one I found is Tom’s of Maine, the powder scent. The others will not cut it for me and make things more smelly. But the powder one is great for heavy sweaters like me :) and it comes in a plastic free option which lasts a long time for me. Which is also a convenient size to throw in a bag and take on the go.

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u/sirkatoris Oct 02 '22

Yeah I live in a subtropical city. Natural doesn’t cut it.

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u/Lela_chan Oct 02 '22

I’m smelly too, but if anybody complains, that means they’re in my personal space so it’s really on them, so fuck them anyway.

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u/tourmaline82 Oct 02 '22

I’m all about the aluminum life. Not only do I stink without my beloved Secret Clinical Strength, I cannot stand the feeling of wet armpits. Yes, I know it’s natural, and I still can’t take it. Sweat elsewhere is unpleasant but tolerable. It’s just the armpit sweat that gets me.

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u/cupcakefix Oct 02 '22

I live in the desert, and NOTHING worked for me. the natural stuff was the least effective, but even like, old spice (sorry, but even tho i’m a lady i like smelling like swagger lolol) didn’t last past 10am in the summer, and even in winter or whatever i’d get funky by days end, and it would get my clothes funky too. til i tried something— after i shower, i slather hand sanitizer on my pits. let it dry, then a layer of deodorant. it works wonders! on super hot days when i’m outside, it keeps the stink away! and now i don’t transfer the funk to my clothes . if you are a stinky witch im give it a shot!

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u/digitalgadget Oct 02 '22

I'm gonna try this! Thanks!

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u/Me_Myself_and_I_299 Oct 02 '22

Yup, I sweat like you wouldn’t believe. Can’t stand the smell of myself without it. And that was before menopause!!!

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u/toootired2care Oct 02 '22

I used to think this way too. Then I tried different brands until I found the right one for me. My husband uses Dr. Squatch but that leaves me more stinky. I got a couple samples from Little Seed Farm and they work amazingly. Currently using Cedar Vanilla and love the smell.

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u/anurahyla Oct 02 '22

I will say it depends on your body’s chemistry. Try some different active agents and see if one works- for me, raw sugar brand and arm and hammer worked well. I use raw sugar because it comes in plastic free packaging

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u/squishylemonade Oct 02 '22

I use men's antiperspirant with aluminum and trust me I'm doing it for others just as much as I'm doing it for myself 😅

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u/omw_to_valhalla Oct 02 '22

Same. I need it to exist in society. I'm a smelly faucet

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u/batclub3 Oct 02 '22

I bought an aluminum free because I had a coupon and ugh never again. Always sweaty and the smell blech

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u/LadyPo Oct 02 '22

Same. I need a specific kind of high aluminum gel stuff, too. Starting in 5th grade I was so confused because I washed well, used deodorant, wore clean clothes but a kid still teased me for it.

Just sharing if anyone is struggling with finding a more effective product: I finally found that the best one for me after YEARS of being a lil stinky gal is the Clinique roll-on gel. The native brand has a gorgeous smell but melts right off — the best one with a good smell that isn’t roll-on is Donna Karan Cashmere stick deodorant, which stays better. I’ve also recently tried the Necessaire roll on AHA gel which doesn’t stop the annoying moisture issue at all, but totally cuts any smell all day. I typically wear that one if I’m just around the house and the Clinique gel if I’m going out for an all day adventure. As with any gel, make sure your skin is totally dry on application and wait for it to dry (minimize activity and cool off for a few mins) before doing anything else.

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u/intime2be Oct 02 '22

I also get stinky with most aluminum-free versions. I use all natural deodorant from Little Seed Farm and it works really well for b.o. They have multiple scents that don’t trigger my migraines and there’s a store near my office that stocks it in their bulk bar! The down sides are that it is visible on clothing so I usually put it on after I dress but it also makes white rings on sleeveless tops and tanks. It will wash off easily with a damp cloth.

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u/rcf2008 Oct 02 '22

I recently discovered I'm mildly allergic to aluminum and I switched to aluminum free deodorant. I don't miss the rashes, but I constantly feel like I smell terrible 🥲

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u/preker_ita Oct 02 '22

I think the smell is preferred over chemical burns. Husband got AWFUL chemical burns after using old spice and now has crazy sensitive armpits. He smells musky, but is best than when he had purple almost bleeding skin.

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u/goodbistranger Oct 02 '22

I've been using Lume for the past few years and honestly it's the best I've ever smelled. Might wanna try it out

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u/Apprehensive-Stop347 Oct 02 '22

Ya I tried Dove's version of this when I was working in a kitchen and it didn't work at all. Although now that I work in an office I might try it again.

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u/RaisingAurorasaurus Oct 02 '22

100,000% That is actually why I posted this. I suffer thru it. I keep some of it on hand for specific needs, usually Dove so I at least get some lotion love out of it. Lume actually worked for me but SOOOO expensive for a family of 5! I've been researching natural alternatives for 20 years now and this is one of the rare finds that actually works pretty well. It's usually $4-7 for a small bar in the grocer and that's only if you can find it. To each her own, I totally get why you use the aluminum stuff! No judgment here! But also one tip I've discovered is that many men's deodorant are aluminum free...like, at least half of it! So I also just steal my hubby's when I need extra help.

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u/intime2be Oct 02 '22

Deodorant Cream

Have you tried this one? It might work well for you. I use really small amounts and my son uses it sometimes, too - seems to go a long way. I put a longer reply to this main thread with more details.

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u/diamond_J_himself Oct 02 '22

There’s really no good data to stay away from aluminum in deodorant

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u/maggymeow Oct 02 '22

I was the same until trying the Hey Human brand. Nothing else natural works for me! Of course because we are different people it still may not work for you but thought I’d shout it out in case you wanted to try it!

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u/khaki53 Oct 02 '22

Old spice has a very strong "men's" deodorant that's vanilla scented. It's called oasis and I'll never use another one for how well it work!

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u/I_am_not_surprised_ Oct 02 '22

This is called greenwashing

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

I have to buy the Native brand. I have a lot of allergies, and idk what ingredient it is but I react really badly to every other brand of solid deodorant. (The sprays and gels just aren’t effective for me.) It’s so expensive, but they do have a few options that are plastic free packaging which is nice. That’s a great find though, I’m glad it works for you!

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u/heterodoxia Oct 02 '22

I've been a Native convert for a couple of years, and I'm a little ashamed because it's so expensive, but I'll be damned if it's not the best deodorant I've tried, "natural" or otherwise. A generous application can easily last 48 hours if I'm not being super active. And the scents are really refined.

The key is to never buy it at the store, where I sometimes see it selling for like $14. If you choose the "build your own 3-pack" option online and use a discount code ("CHASER" works right now for anyone interested), you can get them for a little over $8 apiece... which is still a lot, but I can manage it a few times a year.

/end advertisement 😅

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u/aislinnp Oct 02 '22

Hello fellow race chaser 😉

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u/heterodoxia Oct 02 '22

Hey, kweene 💁🏻‍♀️

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u/EveAndTheSnake Oct 02 '22

$14?! Where the hell do you live!? I’m in Chicago and I’ll often see deals at my cvs/Walgreens (I don’t remember which one, not both of them) but I’ve never seen them over $10!

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

I live in Vermont and they’re $13 each here. Pretty sure they were the same last time I was in RI/CT.

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u/sparkling_anxiety Oct 02 '22

I also like that native has the ‘sensitive’ formula without baking soda. That’s the only one I can use post-shave that doesn’t give me an insta-rash!

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u/Paleogal-9157 Oct 02 '22

I like Native too! The sensitive one is great

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u/Portapandas Oct 02 '22

I’m trying to get my SO to try this, he uses a “natural”er deodorant but the fragrance kills me (It’s one of those average guy brands like old spice or something).

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u/Gracelberrypie Forest Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

I have awful allergies too. 90% of deodorants give me a really bad rash and some that worked for a long time like Schmidt's and Love Beauty and Planet all of a sudden started giving me a rash. I've been using Myro for about a year and haven't had any issues so far!

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u/collidoscopeyes Oct 02 '22

I've had the same issue with a bunch. Right now I'm using Dr. Teal's and it works, but I feel like I'm just biding my time until it starts giving me a rash too :(

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u/oreganoca Oct 02 '22

Same here, It's been a struggle to find one that works well and doesn't give me a rash. Schmidt's, Native, Lume, Myro, all cause burning and rashes for me. I stumbled across "Super Deodorant" a couple years ago and it's been great, aside from it's a little annoying to apply. But, no more itchy burning armpits, no more rash, and it is the best thing I've ever used for preventing odor- actually lasts the full 24 hours they claim, plus some. And as a bonus it's a small eco-conscious business and uses no plastic packaging. So if you ever need something else to try, I'd highly recommend it.

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u/Roaming_Cow Oct 02 '22

Please explain this Native brand and why it works for you. I had, about a decade ago, developed an allergy to a lot of deodorants, ‘natural’ or otherwise. I use alcohol and then sometimes the crystal/salt one. (Don’t get me wrong, it’s working for me but sometimes I’d like something quicker and easier.) I get a rash with ones that say there’s none of the stuff that’s common to exclude so please sell me on this.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

I don’t really have an explanation for why. My best guess is there’s some minor ingredient in the bigger brands that I react to that they don’t use. Haven’t checked the ingredients list though because I don’t actually know which thing it is I need to avoid; just figured I’d try a new brand and see what happened.

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u/OneTrueKingOfOOO Science Witch ♂️ Oct 02 '22

Have you tried a salt crystal deodorant? They’re definitely on the weaker side, but they’re quite cheap and have literally one ingredient

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u/bobsondonuts Oct 02 '22

I recently switched to the crystal deodorant and I love it. No rashes or skin irritation and I think the stick will last for a really long time.

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u/subc0nMuu Witch ☉ Oct 02 '22

I love Native too! Was very excited to see the paper packages eventually. Regular deodorants make me break out in a painful, itchy rash but I tried this one on a whim and it works and keeps my skin happy. It’s $13-$14 where I live but well worth it. I also like their shampoo and conditioner. The scent is gentle but lingers and I’ve had a lot of compliments on it.

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u/EugeniaFitzgerald Oct 02 '22

I was diagnosed with breast cancer this year and every single doctor freaked out about my hormonal birth control usage. Not one asked about my deodorant. Just saying.

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u/vagabondoboist Oct 02 '22

Best wishes as you fight that beast!

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Good luck. 10+ year survivor. They gave zero fucks about hormonal anything related because of the subtype I had, as well as the fact that having had my tubes yanked meant no need for any kind of birth control. It was literally unexplainable.

You have my best wishes for things to go as well as possible for you. Good luck.

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u/EugeniaFitzgerald Oct 02 '22

Thank you! I love hearing that “10 year survivor “ bit. Here’s to 30? 40? Lots more!

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

You’re welcome! Good luck and huge hugs!

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u/doodscool Oct 02 '22

My mom never used hormonal bc but still got breast cancer so if everyone could just know to get screened that would be best

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u/EugeniaFitzgerald Oct 02 '22

Yes. The best thing to do by far. No one is safe because of what they do or don’t put in / on their body.

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u/0may08 Oct 02 '22

wait what was wrong with your hormonal birth control usage??

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u/EugeniaFitzgerald Oct 02 '22

My breast cancer was hormone driven so they wanted my Mirena out of my body ASAP. (As well as all the details of my 10 years of BCP.) Not all breast cancers are hormone driven as others have pointed out but you don’t know until you get it.

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u/0may08 Oct 02 '22

oh i didn’t realise about hormonal breast cancers! thank you for replying and i hope you’re doing okay now:))

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u/cobaltandchrome Oct 02 '22

Aluminum is the active ingredient in standard Anti-perspirant. Alternative anti-perspirants use different salts. Deodorant, on the other hand, is just solid perfume. Deodorant does nothing for the bacteria or the moisture.

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u/PulchraePluviam Oct 02 '22

That’s not entirely true, lots of deodorants affect the bacteria in the area to limit BO. You’ll still sweat and smell more than you would do but it stops the typical bo smell by inhibiting the bacteria

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u/Thirteencookies Oct 02 '22

I find I typically have an allergic reaction to most aluminum-based antiperspirants. And that is really my only reason for not using them. But I also have sweating issues, likely a type hyperhidrosis. I usually end up drying my pits off and reapplying 'natural' (really just a marketing term that means nothing) stuff on the regular.

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u/Traditional-Bid2120 Oct 02 '22

Nah give me the shit that causes cancer (lol I'm kidding that's not a thing)

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u/Aer0uAntG3alach Oct 02 '22

I had to change to a natural deodorant from an antiperspirant, and I hate sweating in my pits. I’m glad I work in an office with AC.

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u/lemonsweetsrevenge Anti-Amatonormative Witch Oct 02 '22

Is there a natural antiperspirant available? I only see natural deodorants available but not anything for perspiration.

Fun fact: Most people use their typical anti-perspirant incorrectly! We are supposed to put it on the night before, not the day of. They become much more effective.

I assume it has something to do with giving the product time to shrink/reduce the sweat glands before beginning any activity that would cause sweating…but they don’t know my bedtime activity list.

:-)

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u/bigbootyfalls Oct 02 '22

This is my philosophy. Especially since literally everything causes cancer.. depending on who you ask

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u/MissMys Oct 02 '22

Everything does in the state of California.

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u/QualityVast4554 Oct 02 '22

I only use deoderant when im working physically or it’s super hot out. A quick whore’s bath for my pits now and then and i’m good

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u/concernedDoggolover Oct 02 '22

As a person with a tiny bathroom and showering anxiety I am gonna call my quick daily sink scrubs a whore's bath for the rest of my life.

Thank you stranger.

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u/Portapandas Oct 02 '22

Funny because my mom called it this all while growing up and I didn’t even put any weird connotation to it! I use it to this day when I just wash up in the sink. My brain still only pictures women in those Monet paintings bathing. Many artists painted whores and just chilled the Eff out with them so I’ve weirdly romanizated it on top of everything else!

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u/FistsoFiore Oct 02 '22

That's so wholesome.

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u/ResidentB Oct 02 '22

A family member calls it a French whore's bath when she puts on perfume 😝

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u/leahingold Oct 02 '22

They're also referred to as bird baths

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u/Moulitov Oct 02 '22

In German it's called "Katzenwäsche" - a cat bath, which is much cuter!

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u/QualityVast4554 Oct 02 '22

😂 no probs, i thought it was universally accepted as that. The safe version around kids is ‘horse bath’ just in case youre around the little scamps.

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u/LaVieLaMort Oct 02 '22

Lol I call it the PTA bath. Pits, tits and ass 🤣

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u/GawkieBird Oct 02 '22

Pits and bits! Or pits, tits and slits if you want to get specific

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u/Toaoe284 Oct 02 '22

Pits, tits and lady bits (or dangly bits if you have ‘em)

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u/Odd-Treat-3985 Oct 02 '22

My mom taught me about PTA (pits or pussy, tits, ass) when I started puberty. I was a little confused at first because I remember my mom being PTA president when I was in elementary school. So the association took a bit of time to sink in.

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u/_justcallmeryan_ Oct 02 '22

This is amazing! 🤣

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u/Venderion Oct 02 '22

The baby wipe version we’d call a field shower, out on training exercises in the woods for days or weeks at a tome not a lot of options for bathing so baby wipes it was.

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u/QualityVast4554 Oct 02 '22

That’s a new one for me, it is officially adopted 😂

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u/Venderion Oct 02 '22

Glad I could contribute to the dictionary 😂

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u/meriti Oct 02 '22

In Puerto Rico we call that a baño de gato (cat’s bath}.

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u/PocketsFullOf_Posies Oct 02 '22

I always wash my lady bits using the bidet on my toilet and my husband calls it a whore’s bath 😂😂

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u/fb2mb Oct 02 '22

LOL I've only known it as a camp bath, but I think I'll call it a whore's bath now. (Or a cat's bath, as some others have suggested, when children are around)

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u/PreventFalls Oct 02 '22

I use the Crystal brand deodorant (not even every day unless I’m exerting myself) and it’s worked so much better than any standard deodorant or anything scented. It doesn’t cake under my arms which other deodorants have. Basically I hate the feeling of all other ones and prefer a quick cleaning under my arms like you said

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u/frazzled0ghost Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Non-toxic? Everything on earth is toxic in the right amounts.

Edit: for the people who have downvoted me: aluminum in antiperspirant does NOT cause cancer and is NOT at toxic amounts in antiperspirant.

https://www.cancer.org/healthy/cancer-causes/chemicals/antiperspirants-and-breast-cancer-risk.html

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u/Deconstructed_Perogi Oct 02 '22

Wish I could find all natural stuff that worked for me but as a sweaty and upsetty person I literally start sweating just putting on deodorant/anti persperant. It's like my body just decided to always look like I've been in a downpour. Trying to find shirt that is the right colour and material is always like finding the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

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u/Paleogal-9157 Oct 02 '22

Ethique has been working for me lately a little better than other “natural” options I’ve tried

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u/Welldontcherknow Oct 02 '22

Sweaty and upsetty - yes, me too. I have to use the overnight aluminium ones for a few nights before I do a day in the office in case it proves to be a stressful day (and sometimes being around other people counts as stressful).

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u/HawtSauz666 Oct 02 '22

Ohmiglarb…that overnight stuff is itchy as hell but so very effective

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u/Prettynoises Oct 02 '22

I use Tom's men's deodorant. I still smell sometimes, possibly due to a hormonal issue that I'm trying to figure out right now, but it's the best I've found so far. Natural stuff didn't work, and regular deodorant gave me rashes. I figured out it was the baking soda, not the aluminum.

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u/OhEmGeeShelly Resting Witch Face Oct 02 '22

It’s a little more pricey (about $8-$10), but Schmidt’s makes a great natural spray deodorant. The best part is that the propellant in the spray is eco-friendly. It also WORKS. I can stink after a few hours of working but this one really works and the can lasted me 2 or 3 months. Highly recommend it. I want to try this one but I’m in Canada and I’ve never seen Suave deodorant before… although I’ve not searched for it.

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u/Strange-Time-9904 Oct 02 '22

Look…. Seems like everything causes cancer nowadays. I’m sorry but I’ll take my chances and keep my affordable deodorant,aluminum and all… thanks!

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u/Reasonable-Bag1459 Oct 02 '22

I use the Lume creams mainly because they last a while on my skin and I sweat like no tomorrow. Plus its good for the bikini line sweat and the under the boob sauna.

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u/RaisingAurorasaurus Oct 02 '22

I love Lume!! Just can't always afford to order it right away so I keep something like this on back up.

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u/Reasonable-Bag1459 Oct 02 '22

Oh yeah they are so pricey. When I have extra money I order a bunch of the tubes to hide incase I run out.

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u/TurbulentEgg Oct 02 '22

I don’t know why but when I first apply Lume it smells like the small animals section of a pet store

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u/elapsedecho Oct 02 '22

Yes! It’s disgusting! I can smell it for hours before it dissipates.

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u/elapsedecho Oct 02 '22

I just bought the unscented stuff and it smells SO BAD for at least a couple hours. I literally breathe through my mouth when putting it on because it’s so nasty. It does work though. But I refuse to deal with that. Just ordered Carpe and am going to give that a try.

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u/Ki-Larah Oct 02 '22

Honestly the only reason I use aluminum free is because about a year ago I started have allergic reactions to regular deodorant. Royally sucked to have to find an alternative, but now I use Dove’s 0% Cucumber scented. Doesn’t do anything for dryness, but helps with odor control without causing painful breakouts.

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u/Ok-Office6837 Oct 02 '22

I’m allergic to regular deodorant and the popular natural deodorant brands. I don’t know why my skin hates regular deodorant, but I can’t use essential oils on my skin so Schmidt’s and Native react horribly. I have to use the Kosas serum deodorant. It’s the only deodorant I’ve been able to find that doesn’t give me a horrible rash.

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u/Paleogal-9157 Oct 02 '22

Maybe Ethique would work? I also get rashes. I am going to check out Kosas!

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u/anniebme Oct 02 '22

I found lume works well for me. I like Ethique shampoo bars. I'm curious about their deodorant bars.

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u/Big_Suze Oct 02 '22

I am the same way! Regular deodorant and most natural deodorants cause me to have an allergic reaction. So far I have only been able to find two deodorants that work for me. One is a specific kind of aerosol nivea deodorant they only sell in mainland Europe. And the other is waleeda spray on deodorant, which I can luckily find at most whole foods stores where I now live in the US.

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u/RaisingAurorasaurus Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

TL/DR: This shit is at Dollar Tree this month!

If you're like me, you are probably willing to spend more money than you really have on non-toxic BO elimination. Some witches choose to go salt crystally..but my hippie @$$ is much stinkier than that. I've used alllll the natural deodorants and only the pricey ones really work really well. If you're on a budget and looking for an aluminumfree deodorant these are at Dollar Tree right now. Still not a perfect ingredient list but this size costs at least $4 in a chain grocer.

Edit: I understand everyone's comments saying aluminum doesn't cause cancer. I didn't say it did. More so, and this is just me personally, but I feel better when I can sweat. Am I a stinky piece of fancy cheese at times? Yes...yes I am. But aluminum free deodorant options just feel better to me... however I also prefer they make me smell better. Soda based stuff helps but can be harsh, crystal salts are definitely trumped by what the thread has decided to call "field baths" and we all agree there is a time and place for a good antiperspirant. TBH Lume is the best thing ever for me, just not always in my budget. Cause even traditional antiperspirant leave me stinky. I didn't mean to make a sound health case, just noting a personal preference. And this is a rare, cheap find for those who seek the same kind of products.

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u/CypressBreeze Gay Witch ♂️ Oct 02 '22

Does it actually smell like rosemary and mint? So many of these "botanical" products just end up smelling like random general synthetic scents...

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u/RaisingAurorasaurus Oct 02 '22

I definitely get the mint...slightly earthy but not as heavy on the rosemary

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u/Kahiltna Oct 02 '22

I've been on an aluminum free journey for awhile. One thing I found out quick is that you need laundry detergent with enzymes or a pre-treater with enzymes to kill the bacteria that take up shop in your clothes. Every time you sweat the moisture makes the bacteria go into a growth phase. The bacteria is what's actually stinky.

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u/LadyPo Oct 02 '22

Any product recs? I’ve used the Lysol laundry additive stuff but it just makes me smell like old stinky PLUS harsh bathroom cleaners lol

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u/morbidwoman Oct 02 '22

Do what makes you feel comfortable. Personally, I’ll be sticking with my “clinical protection” rexona. I stink.

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u/a-real-life-dolphin Oct 02 '22

That looks like it would smell good

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u/LocAlchemy Oct 02 '22

Pit Paste was excellent but they have a new name and it's not as good

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u/LBo812 Oct 02 '22

I just started using smart pits. It’s lavender and bergamot scented, aluminum and baking soda free and it’s in a biodegradable cardboard container! I love it! Women owned and the contribute to breast cancer research. Highly recommended

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u/paigedaly Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Wait but can someone illuminate something for me? I have Hyperhidrosis (such a fun thing to share with the world as an appearance conscious young woman, lol) and I’m prescribed antidepressants which exacerbate it/ have been told I need to use antiperspirant that has aluminum in it to close up my crazy overactive pores and allow me to function as a non sweat goblin stinky creature… am I just totally damned one way or the other?!? Legit certain dri and now drysol are the only things that keep me from absolutely melting into a disgusting sweaty hormone puddle on the daily…

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u/m4dswine Oct 02 '22

If you suffer from hidradenitis suppurativa, aluminium can be a trigger. It certainly is for me. Milk of magnesia based deodorant is pretty effective and isn't a trigger (someone else mentioned milk of magnesia).

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u/new-beginnings3 Oct 02 '22

If you're going aluminum free, there are tons of non plastic container options too :) Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a reusable container that also sells deodorant with anti-perspirant. It's a tragedy tbh lol.

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u/FrigyaCrowMother Literary Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

I make my deodorant yo! So much better and it works for me better and it’s cheaper in the long run and better for the environment. Reusable containers ( I am currently using an old pickled ginger jar)my recipe I found that works best for me

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

So you just gonna walk around smelling like roast lamb, well no complaints

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u/Chaos_Cat-007 Eclectic Witch ♀ With An Irish Flair Oct 02 '22

I’ve tried several brands of natural deodorants and they all break me out :(

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u/chelsea_liz Oct 02 '22

You might be sensitive to baking soda. Try a magnesium based one. I love meow meow tweet. It’s pricey, but I love it. It’s worth cutting other things out of my beauty budget.

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u/PriorityMaleficent12 Kitchen Witch ♀♂️☉⚧ Oct 02 '22

Get some native or arm and hammer, I use the coconut arm and hammer and it works lovely

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u/fernlea_pluto_indigo Oct 02 '22

Aluminum controversy aside.... Rosemary actually increases circulation by dilating blood vessels so it's actually a poor choice aromatherapy-wise. Cinnamon as well. Mint, lavender, and geranium are better options.

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u/RudeSprinkles1240 Science Witch ♀ Oct 02 '22

I like aluminum anti perspirant. I'd rather be dead than sticky and stinky anyway.

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u/KarlaMarqs1031 Oct 02 '22

Milk of magnesia will get you probably years of use with a topical application to the armpits. Someone on the r/zerowaste sub fills up one of those rollerball-type deodorant applicators with milk of mag and it does the trick. It’s not an anti perspirant but it knocks the odor out!

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u/RaisingAurorasaurus Oct 02 '22

Makes sense! Neat life hack!!

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