r/lotrmemes Oct 01 '22 Silver 1

Kinda disappointing ngl Shitpost

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u/elasa8 Oct 01 '22

RELEASE THE RIVER

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u/ItsYaBoySkinnyPen15 Oct 01 '22

BREAK THE DAM

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u/Ar-Pharazom Oct 02 '22

it s so stupid... 6 episodes of buildup for this mistery sword and it opens a fucking dam that could've have been easily breakable... man the writers are really dumb

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u/ItsYaBoySkinnyPen15 Oct 02 '22

I genuinely don’t think it’s that bad of writing lol. It makes sense. They have a practical explanation for mt doom

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u/rennenenno Oct 02 '22

I didn’t mind that at all. I liked how they made mount doom, but I wish the sword were for something more.

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u/ItsYaBoySkinnyPen15 Oct 02 '22

Good thing it’s only episode 6 and Adar is still kickin. I’ll bet we see it again dude

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u/Holgrin Oct 02 '22

https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/xsayes/the_orc_tunnel_makes_no_sense_the_many_payoffs_in/iqjmpws?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

Read this.

The sword could make a ton of sense from a mythology and practical purpose perspective. My short version (but I recommend reading the post I linked): the dam/reservoir could have been used by a powerful chieftain/priest to bring some water to croplands during drought. We know the dark lords had no problem with evil deeds, so they could have incorporated this into human sacrifice. Lay a person on the stone and drive the magic sword into the stone through the human sacrifice; then turn the sword. They could control how much water was release by how much they turned or how long they turned but primitive and uneducated audiences would have lilttle explanation except that human sacrifices save their crops, so they keep following the religion. This also explains men's devotion to Morgoth and cult practices : it's what worked, it's what saved them.

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u/8vius Oct 02 '22

Explains the need for it back then but not currently since you could just break the damn without the sword since you’re destroying the entirety of the land anyway.

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u/MaethrilliansFate Oct 02 '22

They literally depicted how hard it is to destroy magical artifacts with a hammer, if the damn was anywhere near as important as the key that opens the floodgates then there's a good chance Adar already tried it conventionally and deduced the only way to open it is with the key.

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u/8vius Oct 02 '22

The problem with this is that it’s once again bad writing. We don’t know that, it wasn’t established. This is us just trying to rationalize the writers’ laziness somehow precisely because they don’t show it properly in the show.

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u/Pataracksbeard Oct 02 '22

Hey man, just because you didn't get it doesn't mean it's bad writing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

It's the sword that's dumb. I like the idea behind Mt. Doom, but anyone with some major manpower can break a damn. The sword as the macguffin falls flat.

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u/unepastacannone Oct 02 '22

i mean the gates of minas tirith were imbued with the ability to resist a battering ram, and that was done by descendants of the men from numenor

morgoth or sauron could easily have done the same thing to a dam, just stronger

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u/sauron-bot Oct 02 '22

Thou fool.

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u/foxytheia Oct 02 '22

Sentient

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u/duskfinger67 Oct 02 '22

TIL…I thought Grond was just all show no action.

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u/VelvetThunder15 Oct 02 '22

I think the sword being all mystical in nature is what makes it weird. Like why not just some obscure dagger. Like they make a whole thing out of saying it’s clearly not forged by normal means but it was legit just a key.

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u/8vius Oct 02 '22

Also the whole regenerating itself with blood was entirely pointless.

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u/ItsYaBoySkinnyPen15 Oct 02 '22

I’d like to point out, while not stated, the blade did display magic, it’s possible the tower and the dam, was also sealed with magic. We know Sauron had the plan for the rings and dominion and mount doom, from shortly after morgoth fell. When he decides to Pass on going back to Valinor, he commits to his plan of order through the rings. I happen to think the dam was sealed with the same magic that conjures the blade.

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u/submit_to_pewdiepie Oct 02 '22

It just looks like a dam I would t think they would try to break it and I'm not quite sure breaking it would do the trick

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u/elasa8 Oct 02 '22

Yeah, tbh I kinda liked it

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u/HairsprayHurricane Oct 02 '22

Mystery sword opening a dam isn't as dumb as Guyladriel taking pyroclastic flow to the face (and living). Everyone in that village and the area surrounding the volcano should be covered in ash and incinerated. The writers are so dumb it's mind boggling.

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u/Ar-Pharazom Oct 02 '22

Yes i agree....

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u/Littledawg1 Oct 02 '22

I actually thought this was a clever moment for the show. Was it perfect? Absolutely not, felt a little undeserved and maybe a little out of nowhere. Seeing as I don’t think the mountain got addressed at all in any of the prior episodes. And the switcharoo was weird, like neither elf decided to see what was so important, one who knew what it was and another who didn’t bother to check what was so critical that she had to abandon a battle to run the courier down?

But what would you rather have had happen?

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u/squeddles Oct 01 '22

Surely it does more than one thing

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u/imetators Dúnedain Oct 01 '22

Watch it never pop up again at the very least till the end of the season.

THE SEA IS ALWAYS RIGHT!

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u/Miss_Medussa Oct 02 '22

Bro that saying is killing me 😂

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u/TheUmbrellaMan1 Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

It only does one thing and don't call me Shirley.

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u/Seashard5602 Oct 02 '22

I'd assume it'll still be used as a weapon

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u/ranting_madman Oct 01 '22

Bad guys love making keys which look like other things.

It’s bad guy 101.

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u/AlmostStoic Oct 01 '22

If the key looks like a key, then it'll take the good guys zero seconds to find it once they need it, since they'll have come across it on their way and picked it up since keys can be useful. If the key looks like another thing, then it's much more likely that the heroes won't notice it the first time they see it. And then they'll have to backtrack and go around and solve puzzles and even more puzzles to find the key, all of which will take time and make them more likely to trip some alarm. Which should alert you to their presence.

It's bad guy 102.

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u/MeMyselfandsadlyI Oct 02 '22

idk if i wwere a bad guy i would not depend my whole plan on a key that does not look like a key ill just fucking do it with manual labor.

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u/lilfatpotato Oct 02 '22

Do you realise how powerful the Uruk unions are now? It’s not too expensive even for the Dark Lord.

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u/Thatsidechara_ter Oct 01 '22

So its a sword... thats also a key... RvB reference anyone?

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u/DoggyMcDogDog Oct 02 '22

Nonono, it's a KEY who LOOKS like a sword .... Gravity Falls anyone?

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u/P-Took Oct 02 '22

No no no, it's a Key and a blade or a keyblade. Kingdom Hearts anyone?

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u/illy-chan Sleepless Dead Oct 01 '22

Please remember to spoiler stuff like this.

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u/No1sHere_ Oct 01 '22

it’s obviously a tiny domino ready to create a chain of distraction, I mean, look at the ending?! It wasn’t JUST a key to a dam

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u/HotColor Oct 01 '22

Yeah but like the tunnels had to be dug, it’s not like they were already there. At the end of the day, it really just opened a dam.

It’s like saying if you redirect a river to knock over a building, the river was meant to knock over buildings. That’s not how it works.

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u/Kilahral Oct 01 '22

I honestly disagree. The enemy obviously had plans for that region, the sword was the key to finishing those plans. Just because the tunnels hadn't been dug yet doesn't mean they weren't already part of the initial plan that was delayed because of the war.

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u/Jackfrost18 Oct 02 '22

I kind of saw this as Adar finishing the fail safe plan they mentioned earlier in the season. If the dark lord was defeated, but in stead of Sauron, it was Adar

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u/sauron-bot Oct 02 '22

Ah, little Jackfrost18!

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u/No1sHere_ Oct 01 '22

True, the show definitely has some poor excuses and coverups, but I can’t really say anything. I haven’t been into lotr in a long time, plus I just started reading the books. There are a lot of complaints about the show, but this episode is on the lowest of mine. It feels like a big moving point in the story, and things are actually happening with the MAIN protagonist and antagonist.

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u/Seashard5602 Oct 02 '22

I think the show is good, though slower than it needs to be, and I agree, this is probably the best episode

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u/hamndv Uruk-hai Oct 02 '22

The show struggled at first but that episode was banger

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u/Jackdawes257 Oct 01 '22

I died laughing when Arondir said they couldn’t destroy it. Like, brother, you hit it with a hammer, you might’ve at least stuck it in the fire.

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u/Lemonwizard Oct 02 '22

While he was bashing it I literally said "it cannot be destroyed by any craft that we here possess" at the TV.

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u/jacka24 Oct 02 '22

Did you die laughing when Gimli tried to destroy the ring with his axe?

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u/jetklok Oct 02 '22

It wasn't ridiculous because Arondir tried to destroyed it and failed, but because he immediately deduced it is 'indestructible'. At the council it made sense because Elrond and others knew what the Ring was and how it could be destroyed.

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u/maraudingnomad Oct 02 '22

You know, gold is a lot softer then steel. An axe will cleave the average golden ring. On the other hand, hitting steel with a hammer can bend/break it but not necessarily.

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u/jacka24 Oct 02 '22

Not going to argue with that but conceptually.. it's the same scene.. it's like literally the same concept

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u/ArmiesOfArda Oct 02 '22

Swords are literally designed to withstand heavy impact. It's the whole point of a sword. Rings are not.

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u/thanosbananos Oct 02 '22

No he’s right swords are made to resist heavy impact hitting it a bit with a hammer won’t do anything

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u/GoldbraunesSchnitzel Oct 02 '22

But it's bad because the movies are regarded as holy in this sub even though they have flaws too or something like that

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u/kindshoe Oct 01 '22

Disappointing? Causing Mt Doom to erupt creating mordor isn't enough? What did you want for it to Summon sauron riding a dragon ffs

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u/sauron-bot Oct 01 '22

Come, mortal base! What do I hear? That thou wouldst dare to barter with me? Well, speak fair! What is thy price?

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u/Night_Duck Oct 02 '22

I mean, they could've just blown up the dam when they took the tower

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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 Oct 02 '22

Could they tho? We don't even know if they have gunpowder yet. The industrialization of Sauron's army was heavily aided by Sarumon. And considering how far in the past this takes place, it wouldn't surprise me if gunpowder just hasn't been invented yet, meaning no bombs

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u/sauron-bot Oct 02 '22

Build me an army worthy of mordor!

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u/foxytheia Oct 02 '22

I stg, the Sauron bot is being really sentient in this thread today

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u/sauron-bot Oct 02 '22

And now drink the cup that I have sweetly blent for thee!

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u/foxytheia Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Damn, now you're offering me drinks? Wait.... Sauron is this a date?

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u/UltimateIssue Oct 02 '22

You choose the Sauron Path of the Darklord Dating Sim now accept his tea, I heard he can be a real charmer.

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u/sauron-bot Oct 02 '22

Thou fool.

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u/UltimateIssue Oct 02 '22

UwU Sauron-Senpai baka

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u/jacka24 Oct 02 '22

Stop! we don't use that type of logic here!

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u/kindshoe Oct 02 '22

Blown up? With what? Those Orc grenades they use so often?

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u/Chen_Geller Oct 01 '22

"You know Mordor? That hellish, sulphorous, volcanic dark desert that you always assumed was just like that because of its association with Sauron and the corrupting influence of his evil? Well lol, actually did you know it was once this verdant pasture of milk and honey that got turned all black because Morgoth as a contengency made a magic, indestructible hilt that, when fed with human blood, turns into a key that you put into a dam that opens and floods a dormnant volcano!"

Its like what Solo did with the Falcon's navigation computer, only on a tectonic scale. So silly!

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u/WarToboggan Oct 01 '22

Mordor would have been quite lush with plant life in LOTR. Volcanic ash is extremely fertile for plant life.

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u/rock0star Oct 01 '22

The dark side of the Flame of Anar is a pathway to many abilities some wizards consider to be... unnatural

Like evil terraforming

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u/submit_to_pewdiepie Oct 02 '22

Not when it's in the air constantly

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u/Chen_Geller Oct 01 '22

Sure, but my point is that its one of those silly things prequels do. Again, like how Solo gives the Falcon's navigation computer a convoluted backstory or how Fantastic Beasts gives Nagini one.

I just really didn't need to see Mordor created. It should have just been there.

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u/WarToboggan Oct 01 '22

Yeah, it's silly. Mordor was already there. It's like they're trying to remove Morgoth and recontribute everything to Sauron

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u/sauron-bot Oct 01 '22

Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.

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u/123cwahoo Oct 01 '22

Mount doom was literally created by Morgoth and was given it's Elvish name even before Sauron arrived there because of the eruptions of the volcano. Giving mordor an origin story was so stupid. Like honestly this show just needs cancelling

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u/Solocle Oct 01 '22

But that wasn't the creation of Mt Doom. The magma was already there, dormant, waiting. Canonically it becomes dormant after the War of the Last Alliance and into the third age.

So the mountain can be created by Morgoth, and then activated now.

Of course canon has Sauron's base of power in Mordor for the entire 2nd age - there are orcs, so he may be lurking in the shadows ofc.

Far more of an issue is that we're in the middle of the 2nd age, before the forging of the ring, but Islidur is already alive. He isn't going to be a spritely king in another 1000 years...

So I suspect that events of the latter 2nd age are going to be condensed into a few years.

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u/123cwahoo Oct 01 '22

I get that but it was the supposed telling of the creation of Mordor as a wasteland which was probably already a wasteland anyway considering it had a volcano made by morgoth and known for its eruptions, it had mountains that had shelob already residing within them before Sauron even arrives there. We didn't need a mordor origin story. I agree with your other points though

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u/sauron-bot Oct 01 '22

Who despoiled them of their mirth, the greedy Gods?

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u/sauron-bot Oct 01 '22

And now drink the cup that I have sweetly blent for thee!

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u/Bhappyto Oct 01 '22

Maybe your opinions need cancelling

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u/BurdonLane Oct 01 '22

It’s a Sith dagger. It exists only to move the plot forward, has no internal logic and is just cheap and lazy writing.

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u/Chu_Sandre Oct 01 '22

You've made me want to refer to all mcguffins as sith daggers from now on.

"Good movie, but needs less sith daggers."

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u/aka-el Oct 02 '22

Not a McGuffin, but a plot device. A really stupid plot device.

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u/DunshireCone Oct 02 '22

Right, like it wouldn’t feel so hacky if it had been at least a little bit set up, like someone at some point MENTIONED that there was a dam there, like we don’t even get an ominous establishing shot, just boom: dam

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u/Chen_Geller Oct 01 '22

I did think about the Sith dagger, but more in other places in the show. Like when Galadriel goes "wait a minute, I must be blind" when she realizes the sigil is a map of the Southlands. A little bit like when Rey suddenly goes "oh wait, there's this thing on the side of the dagger"...

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u/bfhurricane Oct 01 '22

I have to admit I thought the sigil actually being a map marker was pretty clever. Up until then I thought it was just the writers trying to come up with a convenient plot point of breadcrumbs for Galadriel to follow, which I thought was incredibly contrived and dumb.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

So why'd they inscribe it into her brother's corpse? Hell, as a map it's pretty useless, showing such minimal topography and no way of getting to the location it's meant to represent.

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u/Dominator0211 Oct 02 '22

It’s also a bit too easy to figure out in a weird way. They probably never checked a map because why the hell would they carve a map into her brother. It’s like somebody carving a picture of their apartment onto a dead body and then hoping nobody finds it. At that point just make the symbol an actual sigil and give it a deeper meaning. She looked at a map once and immediately realized that’s what the symbol was

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u/Babki123 Oct 01 '22

I'm gonna be honest, I don't mind the idea that someone triggered the mount doom to blow up even if not sauron (altough yeah in lore it is explained that Sauron is the one making the mount doom constantly covering the sun)

but the sword that required, I would assume, human blood to open the dam ( otherwise he would have asked one of his boy) when there are many way to open a dam is just absurd

Especially since the hole had to be digged next, like Morgoth planned this at some point, forgot and just get lost but Adar stumble upon the blueprint somewhere ?

like why and how?

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u/Mindelan Oct 01 '22

I assumed there was magic involved in the dam holding together until triggered. It struck me as a plan carefully crafted long ago waiting for the prime moment when the volcano would go up under the right circumstances with that nudge. That, or it was a plan that was meant to go off sooner, but shit happened and Morgoth wasn't able to see it to fruition, but Adar learned of the plan and traveled long and far with his 'children' to see it done. (Perhaps with a nudge from Sauron, whether he knew it or no.)

I'm hoping we'll learn the why and how Adar knew of everything in future episodes.

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u/Scarcrow1806 Oct 02 '22

I doubt the dams original plan was to make mt doom erupt… Adar just used it that way.

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u/tkdyo Oct 01 '22

I like the meme, but disagree with your title completely.

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u/KingTangy Oct 01 '22

The show has a lot of flaws but can’t say this what this did is that “disappointing”

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u/BreachlightRiseUp Oct 02 '22

If everyone who was caught in that pyroclastic flow isn’t dead next episode (which they can’t be since all of the main characters were there) then it certainly is

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u/_Eisenstein007 Oct 02 '22

At this point most of you sound like the folks who say "why didnt the eagles just throw the ring to the volcano"

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u/ArmiesOfArda Oct 02 '22

Why do they need a key to break a damn lol

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u/BreachlightRiseUp Oct 02 '22

Pickaxes or other basic tools we know they have capable of breaking the dam? Nah fam. Convoluted sword key that got hidden away and if lost or taken away would fuck up the whole plot? Fuck yeah

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u/WarToboggan Oct 01 '22

It was ridiculously stupid. They fought so many battles and wasted so much time searching, when they could have gone up and torn the dam down. And who the hell built a damn that need a magic sword to open it?

When I saw him put the sword in, I thought "Oh, are they resurrecting Sauron? Wait...no...oh....they're exploding Mt Doom?"

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u/mozaiq83 Oct 01 '22

I actually thought this thing would be the mcguffin of the show. I'm kinda glad it wasn't, but at the same time the alternative was a wtf moment of sighs and "why's".

Also the dude that planted it in, how'd he even get past all of the soldiers to get the hilt to plant.

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u/FatherFenix Oct 01 '22

And how did neither Arondir or Theo not notice the big, round basket hilt was…a hatchet? That’s not exactly an Indiana Jones level switcheroo, that’s two entirely different shapes, weights, and sizes of objects for two people not to notice immediately. And that’s assuming no one, y’know…checked the whole time it was gone.

I’m trying to enjoy the show for what it is, but stuff like this really throws me out of it.

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u/imetators Dúnedain Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

But wait, it gets even better!

Galadriel, with some help from Halbrand caught up to Adar who was running with "something" about which neither of them knew he had. Neither of them knew what's inside AND NEITHER OF THEM EVEN CHECKED WHAT WAS SO IMPORTANT IN THIS PIECE OF CLOTH THAT ADAR WAS CRAWLING TO after he fell of the horse. Obviously, they've picked it up.

Few scenes later we see Galadriel wiping her dagger off the cloth NOT KNOWING WHAT'S INSIDE AND WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO ADAR.

THAT'S SO FUCKING STUPID OMFG...

Galadriel had NO CLUE about anything and magically we supposed to think that all the allies on the screen knew what they are fighting for. If the hilt was so important, they'd gather together to discuss the possession like they did in FoTR. Then it would make sense but nooo, we had to get 2 totally useless scenes about horse-mind-reading and about how florist is an epic warrior and a leader.

Some action was refreshing to get, but a buildup to it and an aftermath of it was so bullshit.

Edit: Arondir indeed told Galadriel that Adar has an item with which he must not escape. So she knew it was important yet hours after claiming it nobody checked the content of the cloth.

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u/HopelessChip35 Oct 02 '22

Before Galadriel chases Adar, Arondir warns her that he posses a powerful Relic and he must not get away with it.

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u/mozaiq83 Oct 01 '22

Yeah I'm trying to do the same and compartmentalize it. And the redeeming moments are so small and far and few in between, it just falls short of anything but tolerantly cringe

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u/winkwink13 Oct 02 '22

If you have to try and enjoy something then are you enjoying it?

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u/starless23 Oct 01 '22

It would've been much better to just have mount doom erupt magically and skil the dam part... It's a fantasy world you don't need a natural thing to cause the eruption.

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u/Pancho95 Oct 01 '22

You… you understand that the dam being torn downs is what erupts the volcano right?

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u/WarToboggan Oct 01 '22

Yes, my confusion was why spend time looking for the key, when they can just physically break the dam. The whole setup if off as Mordor was created by Morgoth in the First Age and Sauron settles there as the place is full of evil. Yes, they need Mt Doom to make the One Ring but the Elves haven't even started making the Rings, so this is extreme premeditation by Sauron, unless I missed some other lore

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u/theforeverman13 Oct 01 '22

I thought the whole purpose of exploding mt doom was to blot out the sun so the orcs dont need to live underground. Also how the fuck would they just tear down that dam?

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u/bfhurricane Oct 01 '22

how the fuck would they just tear down that dam?

I imagine the same way it was built. Even when you construct/deconstruct a few weak points to start a minor flow that can easily turn into breaking a dam, water is hella powerful once it starts moving.

I just rewatched the scene, it’s a very small part of the damn they’d need to sabotage to have the same effect.

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u/Meneros Oct 01 '22

By removing stones, one at a time. Or building some kind of.. ram. Maybe call it Grond, even.

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u/victorelessar Oct 01 '22

The elf destroyed a tower with one arrow, I'm sure 300 orcs would be able to unblock a dam

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u/Mindelan Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

He didn't destroy the tower with an arrow, he broke the braces around the tower that were keeping an ancient structure standing.

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u/victorelessar Oct 02 '22

That's sarcasm. My point is valid.

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u/BlobFishPillow Oct 01 '22

How would they go on about breaking the dam though? Explosives aren't a thing, and the dam is likely being held together by some sort of magic to begin with to activate with the cursed key. This is a silly nitpicking.

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u/Choholek Oct 01 '22

the dam is likely being held together by some sort of magic to begin with

That was never implied, and sounds really stupid.

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u/Brofessor-0ak Oct 01 '22

The same way they do in LOTR. Multiple dams are destroyed in the two towers

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u/BlobFishPillow Oct 01 '22

Giant trees hurling boulders at a dam made hastily != Bunch of orcs with no explosives trying to bring down a dam held by magic.

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u/1Uplift Oct 01 '22

Held together by magic is an assumption you’re inserting, there’s nothing to even suggest it. And orcs blow up Helm’s Deep in the Two Towers. But if you look at the dam, it’s supported by wood pylons, should be easy to undermine.

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u/Brofessor-0ak Oct 01 '22

So why not just get some trolls? Why not use the slave labor to break the dam? Surely destroying a dam is easier than building one.

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u/BlobFishPillow Oct 01 '22

Because that simply wasn't the plan. Whoever made the dam made it so that it only breaks with the key to release the water only when other preparations are ready, not before by something else.

You asking this is like asking "Why don't they throw the ring to any other volcano? Why go to Mouth Doom?" The answer is: because the rules of the magic dictate so. If this is the point that's upsetting you, you may be interested in the wrong genre.

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u/Blueman9966 Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

The show doesn't establish that the dam is indestructible. If it were so, then why did whoever built it also build such a fragile watchtower that one arrow could destroy? They're closely connected so one can assume they were built by the same group of people. Looking at the canon of the books, it would have to have been built by the Numenoreans to be indestructible, but it's very unlikely since they had no presence in Mordor at this time. Also Mount Doom is the only known volcano in Middle-Earth after the First Age in the lore. It is magic that makes the One Ring only destructible there, but at least the story makes that fact clear.

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u/hanrahahanrahan Oct 01 '22

It's not nitpicking (people throw that word around a lot at the moment in response to any mild criticism of a plot hole or writing choice)

You're supposing that the dam is held together by magic, there's nothing showing that it is at all.

To destroy a dam, all you need to do is break a couple of stones and it cascades from there

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u/BlobFishPillow Oct 01 '22

You're supposing that the dam is held together by magic, there's nothing showing that it is at all.

Arondir trying to destroy the key but failing to do so with physical methods was all that was needed to show that there is magic involved. You know, I would rather argue with people online about these things than to have the show spoon-feed every small detail.

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u/hanrahahanrahan Oct 01 '22

That's evidence that the hilt is magic, not evidence that the dam couldn't be destroyed through conventional means.

So no

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u/WarToboggan Oct 01 '22

It can be done, but I do agree it would have difficult to do it in secret. People have been working with stones for 1000s of years.

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u/imetators Dúnedain Oct 01 '22

You say explosives are not a thing but you're missing that in the span of last 6 hours 1 small boat exploded taking another one with the same explosion. Explosives pretty much exist at this point.

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u/alexisaacs Oct 01 '22

I thought the implication was that they didn't necessarily need the key. They built the tunnels and would be fine with exploding the dam, but the key would be preferred

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u/sir_duckingtale Oct 02 '22

It was actually an awesome idea

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u/Ytallus Oct 02 '22

I liked :(

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u/CompetitiveParfait29 Human Oct 02 '22

Well, it’s also a sword. And it kinda created Mount Doom.

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u/stateofbrine Oct 01 '22

I clicked not realizing it was a spoiler and I still don’t care cause it was bound to be disappointing

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u/LeonPrien2000 Oct 01 '22

It’s better than he makes it out to be lol

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u/Galileo258 Oct 01 '22

It opening a dam is a vital but small part of its significance

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u/Basheraa Oct 01 '22

My biggest question is how the fucktard human got his hands on the key in the first place.

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u/Putrid_Loquat_4357 Oct 02 '22

Theo gave it to Adar, Adar said 'fucktard human, I've got a job for you' or something then it cut somewhere else.

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u/sunfaller Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

I think they meant Theo stole it from the old guy, remember? Who hid it under the barn. So where did the old guy get it

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u/bluezzdog Oct 02 '22

mine too i missed it

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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 Oct 02 '22

Adar gave it to him. Then when the Numenoreons attacked they didn't know the human had it. Adar gave himself up as a distraction. While they were celebrating his capture and taking what they thought was the real hilt, he was at the dam enacting the plan

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u/Dabedidabe Oct 02 '22

How did Theo know where it was, I thought Arondir hid it so no-one knew?

Maybe I missed something, can't help being a bit checked out at this point.

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u/sunfaller Oct 02 '22

It is implied Theo stalked Arondir as he was looking at him as he was leaving to hide it.

How an elf missed him, idk. Probably too distracted thinking of bronwyn

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u/Dabedidabe Oct 02 '22

Thanks, I did a quick rewind to that moment. I forgive myself for missing that. x)

Indeed they just gloss over a plot point not at all showing Theo stalking Arondir. I guess they did a very quick setup for that tho.

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u/9Sylvan5 Oct 01 '22

I think the most important part about the blade is that it was seemingly indestructible. Perhaps how how Saurom perfected his creation of the ring.

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u/Meneros Oct 01 '22

Ah, yes. When Arondir used all of his "skill", by hitting it with a hammer.

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u/Judgy_Plant Ringwraith Oct 01 '22

He was at a forge, he might have just been desperate by then. I mean, if the iron won’t even bulge or scratch then it is safe to assume that it’s pretty strong.

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u/jacka24 Oct 02 '22

These people complain about every minor detail not being explicitly shown to them, but then also complain the show is too slow..

like? try to extrapolate information..

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u/MelancholyWookie Oct 02 '22

Perfectly explained.

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u/bfhurricane Oct 01 '22

I agree that part was a little silly. But the sword is clearly magical and it’s not far-fetched to assume it was created with the aid of magic and can’t be destroyed by normal means.

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u/CaringHandWash Oct 01 '22

Im gonna be really pissed if everyone will just survive that eruption. The plot armor in last ep was ridiculous.

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u/Anangrywookiee Oct 01 '22

Nope Galadriel, Isildur, and Elendil are dead now.

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u/Elrond_Bot Oct 01 '22

CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!!!

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u/spankbank4wank Oct 02 '22

Elrond do you just follow Isildur around yelling at him to cast it into the fire...?

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u/Elrond_Bot Oct 02 '22

CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!!!

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u/lpbdeliege Oct 01 '22

You expect all main characters to just die like that ?

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u/Psydator Oct 01 '22

No we expect writers to not put them in clearly 100% lethal situations when we know for sure they'll survive. Because it's a damn prequel.

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u/CaringHandWash Oct 01 '22

I know they are not dead, but why put such dramatic scene of giant eruption swallowing everything - how are they supposed to believably survive that? Theres either got to be some secret magical stuff involved, or they will just wake up covered in dust and soot and a little bit of blood on their faces.

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u/IAmSportikus Oct 01 '22

How was it ridiculous? It was a small gang of orcs vs 500 numenoreans, who are known for being badass warmongers. They can and should have wiped the floor with the orcs. Maybe kill off one of Isildur’s friends but obviously all of the main characters have more important parts than to just die saving a tiny little village

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u/CaringHandWash Oct 01 '22

No i meant the constant last second saves of main characters. Ok if you do it once in a while during series for a dramatic effect but doing it like five times in a single episode was annoying for me.

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u/Elrond_Bot Oct 01 '22

CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!!!

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u/misvillar Oct 01 '22

But all the 500 were new recruits, they werent soldiers and had to be teached how to use a sword

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u/rock0star Oct 01 '22

He isn't talking about the battle

He's saying it's hard to believe anyone survived the last second of the episode

Anyone that close to a volcanic eruption would be dead in minutes from the air alone, then you're covered in ash for a thousand years

I really liked the episode,but thats the only thing I bumped into

They should all be dead, but next episode they'll just be covered in some soot and wake up fine

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u/choosegoos Oct 01 '22

This meme has why-didn't-they-just-fly-the-eagles-to-mordor energy. Just saying.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

You signal saurons attack

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u/Curious-Parsley-9003 Oct 02 '22

mfw a lot of ROP hate is just dumbing down events to make the show look bad

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u/winkwink13 Oct 02 '22

I don't think this show can actually BE any more dumbed down.

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u/Curious-Parsley-9003 Oct 02 '22

Well for starters, it's not "just opening a dam," it's an intricate waterflow system that causes Mount Doom to erupt and become what it is destined to be. Whether you liked it or not, that's what happened. You don't have to like the show, but at least pay attention to it before making a bland comment about the plot

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u/winkwink13 Oct 02 '22

I did. And the sword literally did "just open the dam".

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u/Drakemander Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

Okay but how can someone be alive after the pyroclastic flow?

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u/PositionOpening9143 Oct 01 '22

See established canon: The Return of the King - Sam and Frodo survive the eruption of Mount Doom from the inside of the volcano…

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u/8vius Oct 02 '22

The eruption we see in LOTR doesn’t have a pyroclastic cloud destroying everything in its wake ala Pompeii.

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u/8vius Oct 02 '22

Indeed. But I’d say 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Just avoiding the blast in this scenario would’ve worked.

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u/8vius Oct 02 '22

I think you can look at the Hawaii volcanoes and similar for eruptions that aren’t of this nature.

But I agree, I can see the elves, even the Numenorians surviving this even though they haven’t established their super human nature. But Bronwynn, Theo and the like should be ashen statues.

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u/Drakemander Oct 01 '22

But in the scene itself we see a wooden house being burned, is there any shelter left or can they jump to the tunnels fill with water to survive?

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u/youngbosnia Oct 02 '22

The orcs could've just destroyed the dam without the key.

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u/maztow Oct 01 '22

Convoluted MacGuffinry at its finest

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u/SilverHand86 Oct 01 '22

You open a dam...that jumpstarts >! fucking Mt. Doom! !<

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u/The_Prancing_Pony_ Oct 01 '22

I love that it isn’t anything more than that. I also love how water is typically symbolized as a purification process in Tolkien, but here it is flipped and used to corrupt

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u/rwmwaffle Oct 01 '22

My god you people will complain about anything. That scene was great, the show is great, if you dislike it so much why are you still watching it?

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u/totodidnothingwrong Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

I like to watch it to confirm how shit it is

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u/808Taibhse Oct 02 '22

Because it only takes an hour from my week to check if something I should love and be passionate about is still terrible.

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u/downorwhaet Oct 02 '22

It kinda created mordor so thats pretty useful

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u/Jackfrost18 Oct 02 '22

I thought it was cool… Seeing Mordor created

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u/PaladinProton Oct 01 '22

I think I watched two episodes and kinda lost all interest in the show. Thanks for answering that one curiosity I had.

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u/Mark_Kostecki Oct 02 '22

Bursting a dam with the sole purpose of erupting Mt Doom was pretty dope

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u/ballsacksnweiners Oct 02 '22

Mount Doom has been an active volcano for 3000 years. I thought it was obvious, but to me, this key clearly did more than just release the river. It enchanted Mount Doom so that it would be capable of blotting out the sun for centuries to come.

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u/Lord_Barst Oct 02 '22

Where on Earth are you leaping to get that conclusion?

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u/TacoNinjaSensi Oct 02 '22

Idk guys. Sword plunge into making mt doom is pretty hawt. No pun intended.

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u/tyronebiggs Oct 02 '22

Agreed. So much buildup leads to anticlimactic results in this show