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Zero GOP Senators Vote to Curb Dark Money's Stranglehold on Democracy

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/22/zero-gop-senators-vote-curb-dark-moneys-stranglehold-democracy
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u/Bocifer1 9d ago edited 8d ago Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry

Talk about this to every single conservative you know.

They all are so offended by “money in politics” and “corruption”.

They need to be confronted - repeatedly - with the fact that every democrat voted to ban dark money contributions, and every conservative voted to do nothing about it

Edit: to all the people commenting “it wouldn’t do any good”, etc. - the point isn’t to change their minds and unwash their brains in a single conversation.

The point of putting this in their faces to highlight a completely black and white example of irreconcilable hypocrisy. It’s a war of attrition and it will take time.

The goal here is to light a spark of doubt deep down in their core that will slowly erode the steady stream of Fox News propaganda.

Ignoring the issue doesn’t change minds. You have to put this in their faces

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u/Kinaestheticsz 9d ago

It is actually incredible. Go to their subreddit here. You won’t find a single peep about this. I know, I checked.

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u/callmehiwatt 9d ago

I looked yesterday and was surprised they weren't talking about it. Then I got baited when I saw them sharing abortion misinformation and propaganda. What the fuck happened to conservative values?

I grew up hearing conservative values of personal freedoms, limited government and a rejection of those enriching themselves off their position as career politicians...yeah, none of that seems to be the case.

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u/seensham 8d ago

IIRC, abortion was not a hot button issue until Carter ran for re-election and GOP needed something to mobilise their base .

Also, being a conservative means you want the status quo which means only rich white men have those rights (and then some)

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u/callmehiwatt 8d ago

It's well documented that the abortion movement was used to cover up their motives to overturn decisions on desegregation. That was the goal originally to win favor and votes from certain religious groups. But now people just believe the movement is the moral superior to abortion because the propaganda machine has been running for nearly half a century.

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u/SkunkleButt 8d ago

It's almost like they stood for the exact opposite of those things you mentioned...hmmm.

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u/Dantheking94 8d ago

Unfortunately they still have those believers hoping and waiting the GOP will go back to what it was because they refuse to be democrats…and they refuse to accept that the crazies have stolen the entire party from them. I’m king of hoping they stay with the crazies though, the Democratic Party is being dragged kicking and screaming into more leftist beliefs and we don’t need them bringing the party back to the middle.

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u/AMGwtfBBQsauce 8d ago

Because they were never real values, just an excuse to be selfish.

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u/between_ewe_and_me 9d ago

"Conservative value" is an oxymoron

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u/hexydes 9d ago

Should go post an article about it there and alter the headline to say "Congress fails to pass law curbing dark money". Nobody reads the articles anyway, it would be entertaining to watch them all complain about it, not knowing it was their people that were to blame.

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u/the_TIGEEER 9d ago

Please do that. I'm banned on all of my acounts for not agreeing with trump back in the day

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u/Sh0rtR0und 8d ago

"flaired users only" LMAO 🤣

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u/Sharp-Captain-6296 8d ago

But they are the biggest advocates for "free speech" haha

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u/TheSavouryRain 8d ago

Yeah, they've been posting about how social media companies are trying to limit free speech and how it's bad.

But I can't post in 90% of the their threads because "Flaired Users Only."

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u/Sharp-Captain-6296 8d ago

It's becuase they know they can't defend thier ideas and concepts so they just eliminate challenge outright. They could at least have a solid mod team that limits bad faith arguments, but instead they go the censorship route because they can't stand up to critique.

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u/Send_Your_Noods_plz 8d ago

They straight up say its not a free speech area, its a safe space for republicans and their ideals. Because those are shit and they dont want their members to feel bad they just ban anyone who doesnt agree with them or post about how they disagree respectfully because theyre a democrat, then proceed to post 4 paragraphs of very right leaning opinions.

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u/consumer52719 8d ago

constantly being bRiGaDeD!!!

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u/anndrago 8d ago

I know, it's hilarious. I got banned for violating rule 7, which states that the subreddit aims to give conservatives a "safe space" to converse. Aren't they always claiming the libs need to go cry in their own safe space? I think that conservatives are the real snowflakes.

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u/NorionV 8d ago

Well, yeah, they are.

Conservatives are the progenitors of 'cancel culture', despite whining about it the most. Just think about it.

They've been against every new thing that has ever come up in society, from back in the day when trying to free slaves and women pushed for women's' rights, to here and now as communities like LGBTQIA+ are asking for rights and people in general are trying to fix economic disparity.

They've tried their absolute damndest to cancel any kind of progressive move, pretty much all throughout this country's history. But because Dr. Seuss pulled a few lightly bigoted books from like a hundred years ago, the 'Left' are doing cancel culture.

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u/PangPingpong 8d ago

Make it 'Democrats fail to pass law curbing influence of dark money in politics' and see how many don't read the actual article.

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u/XS4Me 8d ago

Perhaps not so brazen, how about ‘republicans vote on law curbing influence of dark money in politics’?

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u/OklaJosha 8d ago

There’s a Bloomberg article posted on the same topic. Comments are basically “dems want to harass republicans who donate, so donations shouldn’t be tracked” [sic]

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u/chaos_nebula 8d ago

Maybe we need to use their own bogeyman against them. "RINO Mike Lee voted to keep dark money in politics. Is this because he would have to disclose his donations from George Soros?"

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u/Alone_Foot3038 8d ago

This is fucking brilliant.

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u/Manny_Bothans 8d ago

But... donations to actual candidates CAN be tracked... it's... public information.

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u/Kinaestheticsz 9d ago

I’d prefer to not get my account instabanned from a bunch of subreddits. And screw giving that place any further traffic.

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u/jorgomli_reading 9d ago

It's a badge of honor. Why would you care about getting banned from there?

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u/perfectbarrel West Virginia 9d ago

Some other subreddits automatically ban you from their sub if you participate in the conservative sub

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u/jorgomli_reading 9d ago

Oh weird. Never saw that before.

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u/TrashRemoval 8d ago

Yeah I was banned from justiceserved which I thought was ironic.

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u/Dry-Bird-2993 8d ago

Which is pretty fucking stupid. Considering you could literally (i should know it's happened to me) be banned from a sub that says it's against racism...while you're being against racism.

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u/riadfodig 9d ago

Some subs automatically ban anyone that has participated in certain subs. This was very common with TD, not sure if it's as common now.

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u/gleeble Wisconsin 8d ago

There's one up now, the prevailing argument is that anonymous donating is good because liberals will dox you and ruin your life if you donate to conservatives. Wild.

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u/cipher-taker 8d ago

"your enemies are both too dangerous and too weak"

tenets of fascism, right?

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u/Daetra 8d ago

Even if doxxing was the problem, the bill was going after a specific type of donations. Rich conservatives wouldn't be targeted, it would be the special interest groups donating to a third party that represents a politicans campaign and anything under 10k isn't flagged. They don't even have their facts together. At least comments that are misunderstanding what the bill does is getting downvoted. It's basically they need a reason to cope with the fact that their side voted against it. The top comment now is pretty good.

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u/Imnotpoopingrn 8d ago

Like facts mean anything over there

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u/joeyjoejoeshabidooo Michigan 9d ago

You're brave, I worry every time I go there that I'm going to get infected with stupid.

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u/OopsAnonymouse 9d ago

It's okay, he's taking intellevermectin

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u/agentfelix 9d ago

Blast that light beam straight up your poop chute!!! That'll get'em

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 8d ago

You jest, but just a few weeks ago, Tucker Carlson and Co. were hawking sun tanning their testicles in order to increase testosterone production.

You know, heating up the one organ nature specifically evolved to stay outside the main body in order to cool down.

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u/the_TIGEEER 9d ago

That sub is something else the worst part is they ban dofferent thinkers so it's just an ecochamber of idiotizem just like conservatovisem in real life

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u/CrumbsAndCarrots 8d ago

I’m banned from all conservative subs. So sometimes I’ll come across one in the wild on a differnt sub. Defending their GOP as benign and that the Dems are the real danger etc. I fav our conversation and keep sending them articles every few weeks…. For months. They eventually stop responding or block me.

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u/HGpennypacker 9d ago

Go to their subreddit here.

Let's not speak of r/conservative, it's a wicked place.

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u/RowanIsBae 8d ago

They want to talk about things living rent free in our heads, meanwhile every other article is a satire post from Babylon B that mentally jerks them off over something stupid they believe to be happening or true when it's not

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u/cipher-taker 8d ago

It's funny how little they need to feel smart

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u/HGpennypacker 9d ago

Talk about this to every single conservative you know.

They won't care. Any and all reason will be met with, "Well I'm sure they had a good reason to." If you still call yourself a Republican and a conservative in 2022 you do so purely out of spite and hate for the other side.

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u/RowanIsBae 8d ago

We have got to stop pretending GOP voters are being duped to such a degree.

There's no irony here.

They want power. They don't want OTHERS to have power.

They want money out of politics when it supports things they hate.

They want money in politics when it supports things they want.

Republicans have their own twisted idea of what democracy and freedom is about, by design. They want it for THEMSELVES and not you or I.

We should be, at this point, addressing them head-on with clear eyes of what their goals and intentions are.

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u/mucheffort 9d ago

The problem is, they'll say it was because of something else in the bill, and that they're actually the good guys for voting against it

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u/SuperModes 9d ago edited 9d ago

That’s actually the question I came here to ask because I knew they would do this. What is the thing in the bill they’re probably definitely saying is bad? Have any of them attempted to explain themselves or is it just “NAY!” “No comment.” ?

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u/capybaratrousers Texas 9d ago

I haven't seen any rationale from their side like they have in recent votes like the burn pit legislation. But I could see it being "This would limit free speech, I told you, the Dems are radical anti Americans!"

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u/zombiescooby 8d ago

Not far off. They finally allowed a post and their thinking is it will lead to doxxing and attacks on the elite Republican donors...

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u/capybaratrousers Texas 8d ago

Sounds about right. All while their media mouthpiece continues to doxx doctors for doing their jobs.

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u/sisususi 9d ago

I have seen a few comments in that other subreddit about Democrats wanting to “dox” conservatives… it’s bad faith bs.

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u/TempAcct20005 8d ago

They all spew excuses until one of them hits what they think is a good reason. Going through that subreddit now, this is the narrative they chose and it’s totally pathetic

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u/shoo-flyshoo 8d ago

The usual excuse is that there was "something else in the bill" they didn't agree with, but that should be challenged by "ok, so why don't they make a bill only to remove dark money from politics?" They never have a good answer for that.

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u/SuperModes 8d ago

That’s what I’m asking because that’s what they always do. But what are they claiming is the bad thing in the bill this time? I’m not being facetious here, I’m actually asking.

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u/realntl 9d ago

“The dems only voted against it because they know they’re going to take dark money anyways. It’s all a theater. I actually appreciate the honesty of the GOP. Besides, I bet a lot of the ‘dark money’ going to conservatives is from true patriots who simply don’t wish for their identity to be known. I say let ‘em”

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u/AMGwtfBBQsauce 8d ago

I'm pretty sure I've heard this exact line of thinking about something else the "GOP" voted against.

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u/realntl 8d ago

Yeah, all we have to do is channel the pettiest, simple minded know-it-all contrarian relative we know of and bam, we’ve got the conservative take on anything.

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u/Geno0wl 9d ago

same things they say about the election security laws that the GOP all voted against.

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u/Skabomb 9d ago

The deflection already started yesterday.

The talking point seems to be that Dems only fully supported it because they knew Republicans wouldn’t.

So no Dems voting for it actually count cause they would have voted it down if republicans supported it. So no one really supported it.

Which still makes Republicans look bad because they could have made the Dems look foolish by supporting it and passing it in that case, but I’m just repeating what I’ve seen in posts from yesterday.

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u/fingerscrossedcoup Virginia 9d ago

They will be convinced by Fox News that the bill helped liberal politicians eat babies or had some other just as likely provision.

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u/love_glow 9d ago

When are we going to realize that truth does not effect these people. They do operate on good faith, and don’t care about being hypocritical as long as they piss of some Dems. They are not going to see the light en masse. The best we can hope to do is contain them.

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u/aaronitallout 8d ago edited 8d ago

Talk about this to every single conservative you know.

Gonna push back on this. You're not going to reason with or "gotcha" a cult member. They won't change until the leopard eats their face.

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u/stainedgreenberet 8d ago

Then they just say that “they’re all crooks” so they don’t have to actually think about what they believe.

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u/livingasimulation I voted 9d ago

Of course they did. They aren’t just going to throw away their victory in getting Citizens United.

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u/GhostShark 8d ago Silver

Keith Olbermann’s piece right after the passing of Citizen’s United was spot on. Really worth the 11 minute watch if you haven’t done so before.

The argument of “we didn’t know it would turn out like this” falls right apart. We always knew, and now we are getting exactly what we (didn’t) pay for. Hooray money in politics! /s

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u/To-Far-Away-Times 8d ago

Not a single republican voted against ending dark money in politics. NOT. A. SINGLE. ONE.

Never let someone tell you both parties are the same.

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u/IcyEntertainment8908 8d ago

r/conservative is having a hard time coping with this one.

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u/Cartz1337 8d ago

They seem to be circling around the narrative that Dems would use this to harass and cancel conservative donors.

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u/mtdunca 8d ago

Don't worry, they have already come with the line the Democrats only want this so they can Dox Republican donors.

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u/IcyEntertainment8908 8d ago

"I dont think they understand the difference between this and doxxing."

Lol yeah I posted this comment the exact moment as you. Must've literally been writing it at the same time

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u/Whiskey_Fiasco 9d ago Silver Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry Helpful (Pro)

Republicans don’t want the people to know who they represent. They also don’t want the people to have the ability to directly vote on policy. The Republicans don’t represent Americans.

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u/metengrinwi 9d ago

Republicans know their voters will never even hear of the existence of this vote/bill.

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u/Whiskey_Fiasco 9d ago

And even if they do they will imagine up excuse after excuse for why Republicans must not have voted for it.

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u/klavin1 8d ago

They'll accept whatever spin Fox puts on it.

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u/TrashyMcTrashBoat 8d ago

Lemme try:

Democrats want to invade the privacy of American small business and meanwhile illegal immigrants are exempt from this oversight

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u/Halo_cT 8d ago

thanks i hate it

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u/FoogYllis 9d ago

I am just surprised that Russia still has money to give to the GOP.

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u/syler666 9d ago

Blackmail, don't forget Russia hacked the RNC and DNC but only leaked DNC stuff.

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u/flicthelanding 9d ago

can anonymous hack the rnc and just rip the bandaid off, please?

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 8d ago edited 8d ago

Anonymous is busy with the headline of the day. They attacked Russia for a while and then went dark. Now they're on to Iran for a few weeks, then they'll go dark again. They are dicking around on low hanging fruit as opposed to trying for real change.

edit: The one fact absolutely everyone knows about Anonymous is that they are not centrally organized. Which is the one fact that continues to flood my inbox. Absolutely anyone can be Anon, which is fine, but when the new shiny comes out the old projects fall by the wayside.

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u/junter1001 8d ago

I’m still waiting for the dirt they promised on Marjorie Taylor Greene

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 8d ago edited 8d ago Wholesome

Which should be really easy to find. She's probably got an only fans page where she grinds on a life sized trump doll with a color printout of him doing the mouth like asshole face.

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u/Global-Election 8d ago

Good thing I read this before lunchtime

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 8d ago

Hey, having a tug in the bathrooms at work to really questionable porn is still good for productivity. No judgement here.

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u/Tewts70 8d ago

I miss the good old days when doing something vile like stalking and harassing a school shooting victim would’ve been enough to tank a political career.

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u/droznig 8d ago

Anonymous isn't really what the news portray them as and what most people think they are. It's just a loose collective of people. More of a social club than anything else.

Occasionally, some one will have an idea for a project and recruit a hand full of people from the collective to help achieve a certain goal. But it's not like they have a leader or a plan, it's just that today this group of people who are part of the larger social club decided to do X and managed it. That's it. That's all it is.

More often than not the small group of people working on whatever will fail and nobody ever hears about it outside of the group.

When something big in the news comes up it attracts the attention of the more talented individuals so they are more likely to contribute and it's more likely to succeed.

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u/Mysteryman64 8d ago

It's not even a social club.

It's literally just a banner. Any hacker group can claim to be part of anonymous because it's very nature is to be anonymous, as in the actual meaning, an unidentified actor. It's a title worn by anyone who has the skills to deploy the message and the will to do. Sometimes that means various hacking groups working together. Sometimes that means lone wolf actors. Sometimes that means state actors trying to act as though they're not state actors.

There is no sort of centralized planning or decision making apparatus for picking targets. About the only unifying concept is that it's typically a pro-personal freedom mantle and pro-freedom of information, and even that is often a "subjective" term based on what the hackers in questions desires and ethos are.

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u/Diabeticon 9d ago

They also focused a hack at Lindsay Graham directly to get his private campaign emails. I wonder what they found.

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u/alanthar 8d ago

Likely whatever Trump presented to him on that golf course meeting that marked the sudden turning point of support

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u/mrvandaley 8d ago

Ladybugs. Just ladybugs all the way down

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u/70camaro Missouri 9d ago

I've always figured that they released the DNC info because none of what they found on the dem side was damning enough to use as leverage. Moreover, it showed that they were indeed capable of getting/disseminating such information so that those they did have leverage over would take it more seriously. That said, we have zero information about what they actually have or who it implicates.

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u/SeVenMadRaBBits 8d ago

That said, we have zero information about what they actually have or who it implicates.

I keep thinking it might be the fact that there's 310 Republican sex offenders

Found out from a reddit post that lists a good portion of them by name with the offenses and sources for each.

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u/ProximusSeraphim 9d ago

Yeah, I always thought that they released the DNC stuff because everything was milquetoast and not enough to black mail anyone in it. Gop on the other hand....

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u/dragunityag 9d ago

and somehow the other side thinks that the Russians didn't release any of the RNC stuff because they were so squeaky clean.

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u/PossessedToSkate 8d ago

thinks

No, that can't be it.

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u/ZeroInZenThoughts 8d ago

No, they still believe Russia has never been involved with our politics.

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u/70camaro Missouri 9d ago

It's possible that they witheld some of the information they have on the DNC, but unlikely given the fact that the DNC seems pretty galvanized against the Russian disinformation threat.

It's all speculation, though.

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u/FSCK_Fascists 8d ago

Probably have meetups and calendar entries with participants and photos for the kind of cocaine sex party Cawthorne was denied access to.

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u/GenuineLittlepip Pennsylvania 8d ago

It doesn't even have to be actual crimes, it can simply be their rampant hypocrisy, like the "Conservative Christian" men who spend their days screaming about the gays, but have secret boyfriends or stockpiles of yaoi porn of their own. When you're so deep in the closet you need a cartographer to find your way to the door, that sort of threat is, to use a bad pun, stiffening.

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u/ZakA77ack 9d ago

It takes surprisingly little money to bribe change an elected officials mind.

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u/VerdureNotMurdure 9d ago

To be fair, most of the bribing comes from corporations and billionaires.

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u/pmabz 9d ago

More effective than spending it in their army. Look at the successes: Trump, Brexit, Putin supporters in Western countries diluting unity

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u/RespectThyHypnotoad Pennsylvania 9d ago

The donors also want this kept secret so they can pretend to be on the right side of history publicly while supporting the GOP privately.

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u/Drusgar I voted 8d ago

They also don’t want the people to have the ability to directly vote on policy.

That's because they only have one real policy: destroy the Federal government. Abortion bans, gun rights, prayer in school... those are just window dressing created to trick enough rubes into voting for them. If they simply ran on deregulation and tax cuts for billionaires they wouldn't win any elections.

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u/swump 8d ago

Whenever I've tried to talk to my parents or any conservative about this talking point they're only response is "well the Democrats are no different! They're all bad!!" And they will still vote Republican.

Our democracy, if it ever really existed, is lost. It has been for some time.

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u/newnemo Vermont 9d ago

No words, I'm out of words.

After all 49 of his GOP colleagues in attendance voted to prevent debate on the legislation endorsed by President Joe Biden, Whitehouse released a statement slamming right-wing lawmakers for fighting to preserve "dark money's poisonous influence over American democracy."

"Today, Senate Republicans stood in lockstep with their megadonors and secretive special interests to protect the most corrupting force in American politics—dark money," said Whitehouse, a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. "The American people are fed up with dark money influence campaigns that rig their government against them and stymie their priorities."

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The ability of the nation's wealthiest individuals to translate their disproportionate economic power into political clout has increased exponentially since the Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United decision eliminated effective limits on campaign contributions.

As Whitehouse's office noted, "Dark money in particular has skyrocketed despite the Supreme Court, by an 8 to 1 margin in Citizens United, upholding disclosure requirements as a means for citizens and shareholders to hold elected officials and corporate spenders accountable."

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u/45kAlt 8d ago

What is the rationale for not voting for it, other than their policy of never agreeing with the Democrats.

What's their defense here??

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u/LincolnCassiusClay47 8d ago

r/conservative is worried about this exposing Republican donors and that democrats will harass them for their political beliefs.

Though the bill exposes donors of more than $10k so it doesn’t really apply to everyday donors. It’s just conservatives trying to push an argument that has no weight. So, you know, pretty much the norm. Idiots yelling at clouds.

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u/KrazzeeKane Nevada 8d ago

They have no defense, nor do they need any--their voters don't care in the slightest if you try to confront them with this, it would bother them not at all.

The reasoning doesn't matter, whatever their party does is correct, and if they voted No they must have had a good reason--that is as far as their supporters think

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u/45kAlt 8d ago

I really wish we had reporters that would call them out.

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u/thunderingparcel 8d ago

They wouldn’t listen and they would use it as evidence to distrust journalists

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u/cheesycake93 8d ago

I had a look on their subreddit. Apparently their argument is that it’s unconstitutional, democrats benefit more from dark money, and if it was public info they would all be doxxed into oblivion.

I’m not even American and I’m like 95% certain I have a better of idea of what is in the constitution than they do, they just throw it around like a buzzword for some reason.

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u/PianoTrumpetMax 8d ago

The article continues, but I cannot. What a train wreck our country is currently.

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u/Illpaco 8d ago

Thanks to Republicans and their voters. They're at fault

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u/FlowLife69420 8d ago

The article continues, but I cannot. What a train wreck our country is currently.

It's been this way for decades.

I'm just very surprised that people are finally noticing and change is trying to happen.

That good ol' hindsight has to be pretty brutal for some people I think. I bet it's like a bad hangover or worse depending how far gone some are.

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u/dirtycrabcakes 8d ago

I wish the article stated what the official Republican reason is for opposing the bill. I'm interested to hear how they are spinning this one.

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u/Venomking999 9d ago

Following their masters orders once again.

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u/112721 9d ago Silver

If you are still voting Republican, you should know that you are the problem, that you are undermining your own freedom and that of your offspring.

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u/I_love_old_guys_ 9d ago

And my offspring, which really makes me mad.

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u/flybydenver 9d ago

And the band Offspring

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u/I_love_old_guys_ 9d ago

Won’t anyone think of Dexter??

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u/taws34 9d ago

He's just a sucker with no self esteem

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u/jx2002 9d ago

Why doesn't he just get a job?

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u/ChunkyChuckles 8d ago

You know, he's pretty fly for a white guy.

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u/juiceboxheero 8d ago

Yah, that kids alright.

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u/DoorstepCult 8d ago

He’s my boyfriend and I hate that dick. The rest of him is alright tho.

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u/Doughnutsu 9d ago

I saw an older video of whatever music festival and while performing the man got smashed in the face with a plastic water bottle or such seemingly still half full. Dude didnt miss a beat and kept playing, was highly impressed.

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u/oh-propagandhi Texas 9d ago

He's honestly probably got a pretty great take on the whole thing. He's a smart dude who comes from the old beatin' up skinhead days of punk.

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u/goinupthegranby 9d ago

He's a smart dude

Dexter Holland, the guy with a PhD in molecular biology who, in addition to being the frontman in a successful punk band and having a hot sauce company, is also an HIV researcher? I would say yes to the smart dude thing.

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u/guybrush5iron 9d ago

I hear he's pretty fly, for a white guy

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u/PatrickSeestars Washington 9d ago

The kids aren’t alright

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u/StrangerAtaru 9d ago

They don't care. It's more about now than it is about the future. Screw the future, they say.

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u/Mall3usMaleficarum 9d ago

This is because they live in the past and strive to turn back the clock. They seem to hate and fear the future. They envision is as a world where they have no power.

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u/BeKind_BeTheChange 9d ago

People who vote republican don't read comments like yours and if they should run across one in the wild they ignore it because you just don't understand Jebus.

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u/soyboysnowflake 8d ago

Queue Hank Hill: if those kids could read, they’d be very upset

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u/firebirdone 9d ago

The republican voters don't understand that. It's more of a tribal mentality now than what's best for them.

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u/wwssd 8d ago

We did see them kill themselves to own the libs during Covid.

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u/Mmmmffffeeerrrr 9d ago

Just another reason why I’m forced to vote for dems only

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u/oh-propagandhi Texas 9d ago

It makes political discussions really easy for a while.

"Do you support dark money in politics...yes or no?" No one wants to admit they are the bad guys, but this is such an official bad guy move.

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u/PixalPop 9d ago

Some of them don't give a shit.

'oh hey, maybe it's not so bad, so long as those damn libs leave my guns alone'

I don't fucking know

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u/cjthomp Indiana 8d ago

Ah, so you've met my dad.

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u/ezduzit24 Maryland 9d ago

Party over integrity. What a shit country we live in right now. Vote them out! I know it’s a futile comment but Jesus Christ, how is the conservative electorate so freaking blind?

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u/hexydes 9d ago

The Republican party will never go away so long as a 74-year-old man in Texas knows that a woman in California can get an abortion, or someone in NYC is trans. It's all they think about.

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u/JimBeam823 8d ago

Or as long as a rich retiree knows that their tax money is being used to help a poor person.

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u/CaliforniaDreamin122 9d ago

Can this still pass if Kamala votes to break the tie?

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u/sighclone 9d ago

No, due to the filibuster. Cloture needs 60 votes. Certain votes (like reconciliation bills) are exempt from the filibuster, but this isn’t one of them.

So long as republicans have at least 41 seats (which would represent much less than 41% of the voters in this country), they can block huge swaths of popular legislation.

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u/amalgam_reynolds 8d ago

I'll never understand why they let the filibuster become just saying you're going to do it instead of actually doing it.

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u/DC_Disrspct_Popeyes 8d ago

Yeah at least make those assholes actually go through with it.

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u/HappyJackington 8d ago

Because republicans realized that it's too hard to make a coherent speech for opposing everything and having chodes like Ted Cruz read "Green Eggs and Ham" makes them look like idiots.

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u/ReticulateLemur Washington 8d ago

But it's the Dems who are letting the GOP fake fillibuster. The GOP says "if you try to get this passed we're going to fillibuster"and the Dems just roll over and say "fine, we'll do something else today."

Dems need to make the GOP put their money where their mouth is. If they want to fillibuster then they have to do it the old fashioned way, by standing there and being uncomfortable.

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u/HappyJackington 8d ago

I completely agree, but as long as Manchin and Sinema are needed to keep a senate majority there's not much to be done. I think there is merit to the old filibuster in allowing opponents of bills to have a soapbox to make their point.

I hope and will vote to make it so there are 2 more Dems in the Senate so Manchin and Sinema become irrelevant since those jackasses seem to care more about their own interests instead of making the country a better place to live in.

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u/natphotog 9d ago

I don’t believe so, thanks to the filibuster

Remember when everyone was gushing over Romney’s iNtEgRiTy for going against the party? Where’s that integrity now?

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u/Sir_Penguin21 9d ago

Words are cheap. Just like buying Romney’s vote is cheap.

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u/TheRadHamster 9d ago

The bill failed the procedural vote 49-49 with one from each party missing the vote. Because it did not reach the 60 vote threshold, the republicans stated their intent to filibuster. Because of this, the bill cannot go onto actual vote. The democrats attempted earlier this year to end the filibuster, however Manchin (D-WV) and Sinema (D-AZ) voted with Republicans against the measure. This means efforts to do so again would once again fail.

Edit: to actually answer your question, if the filibuster did end and the vote was evenly split, then yes VP Harris would have the tie splitting vote.

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u/_GameOfClones_ 9d ago

The corporate and foreign interest money being pumped into our politics is difficult enough to swallow…but how the hell did we get the point where the public isn’t even allowed to know who is donating to our politicians?

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u/TeeBrownie 9d ago

Let me see if I got this straight. Republicans have been complaining about the “Deep State” but voted against exposing said “Deep State”.

I wonder why.

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u/Registered_User666 9d ago

Because dark money feeds the GOP hog.

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u/pigsareniceanimals 9d ago

Is that the hog Senator Ernst castrated?

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u/LiquidMetalSloth 9d ago

How can they blatantly accept Putin’s money and be elected, if voters can see who donated? Geez. It’s almost like asking them to incriminate themselves.

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u/UserofCodename 9d ago

The traitors would lose their backing

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u/Beece 9d ago

How can we possibly combat this. The people who make the decisions are controlled by money and they’re the ones who have to vote on that money? It seems like a zero sum game for the voters

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u/DropsTheMic 9d ago

That would be cutting off their own funding, can't do that.

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u/DbZbert 9d ago

The republican party truly is a sess pit of garbage

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u/AdventurousCandle203 8d ago Gold

Not trying to be a dick, just wanted to let you know because I’ve been in your shoes many times before, but it’s actually “cesspit” 🫡

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u/bishpa Washington 9d ago

There’s never been a better time to vote Republicans out of office.

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u/Ranku_Abadeer 9d ago

Ah, the party that rallys behind "draining the swamp" and constantly complains about politicians being paid for and doing the bidding of the elite, and not a single one votes in favor of actually doing anything about that.

What else did anyone expect?

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u/lazyeyepsycho New Zealand 9d ago

im intrigued to see how the maga crowd spin this into a win for Americans.

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u/Foggy_Prophet 9d ago

They'll never hear about it.

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u/ifurmothronlyknw 9d ago

Fake, don’t care, it’s political, yada yada

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u/fingerscrossedcoup Virginia 9d ago

The Democrats had baby eating carve outs in the bill. That's what that Facebook meme said.

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u/iLiLoOpY 8d ago

"This will be used by the libs to target donors"

Or

"Theres a two tiered system, so the Dems wouldn't care if they got caught because they never face consequences"

Current takes on r/Conservative

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u/Angry_ClitSpasm350 9d ago

Same as it ever was. "Democrats snuck pork into the bill which no Republican would ever vote for!"

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u/jx2002 9d ago

It's always that magical pork that's fucking it all up!

Even when the same "pork" will be touted as a bipartisan win by shitfucks like Raphael Cruz.

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u/Angry_ClitSpasm350 9d ago

They tried to do it with the burn pit bill too. I kept calling out the idiots claiming it had pork and they all come up with some bullshit that makes no sense. I read the bills, i know what's in them. They have absolutely no idea and just repeat whatever tucker said that night about it. It's sad honestly that so many people are so goddamn gullible.

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u/Whiskey_Fiasco 9d ago

Whatever Republicans did must be Democrats fault!!!

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u/DenimDangerAAC 8d ago

They’re already over there saying that if they had to disclose their donors, that opens people up to harassment from liberal extremists. What they don’t understand because they’re willfully ignorant is that this only applies to donations 10K and up, thus excluding most ordinary citizens.

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u/PMMCTMD 9d ago

They like the Russian and Saudi money.

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u/Pithyperson 8d ago

Democrats: Dark money is destroying Democracy!

Republicans: So?

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u/StrangerAtaru 9d ago

They only needed 9 Republicans to be honest to get this to a vote. 9.

The fact all 49 refused to be brave shows where they stand.

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u/Laika_JR1390 North Carolina 9d ago

This is why we don’t actually live in a democracy.

We live under an oligarchy of lobbyists, billionaires, and corporations, and our politicians work on their behalf, not ours.

So until more people realize and accept this, and actually start to take action to change it, it won’t change.

We have more power together as the working class, but until we unite to enforce change, it will never happen.

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u/adv0cate4thed3vil 9d ago

Just out of curiosity. Nothing would prevent Democrats from disclosing their donors right? Or would it be up to the Super PAC? I know I for one would like more transparency from the party that I tend to lean towards.

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u/mattgen88 New York 9d ago

The point of a super PAC is that the politicians don't have anything to do with them. They cannot coordinate with the super PAC. They also don't know who the donors are, supposedly. You just have a massive bank number telling you what they want, and they say who they are backing. It's supposed to be anonymous, in practice you probably know that Koch donated to CPAC and their agenda is his.

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u/techblackops 9d ago

"Supposedly" being the key word here. It's all bullshit.

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u/FailResorts 9d ago

When Republicans had control back in 2017, the head of Paul Ryan’s Super PAC met Sheldon Adelson the day they passed the wealthcare tax cuts bill. Pretty sure Adelson wrote like a $30 million check to Ryan’s Super PAC in response to the bill being passed.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a20648152/paul-ryan-sheldon-adelson-las-vegas-campaign-finance/

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u/tgblack 9d ago

It’s impossible to control anyway. Campaigns often put on their websites “if you want to support us, we’re trying to reach X demographic to show them we want to do Y for them” which is basically a pre-formed marketing media campaign brief. Can’t really stop things like that due to freedom of speech. But you could address the direct communication/meetings between the two. I just don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze there. I’d rather focus on the disclosure of donors, both direct to campaigns and to superpacs.

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u/Chief_Rollie 9d ago

Nothing stopped Democratic states from passing laws making it harder for them to gerrymander their States. The result? Democratic states can't gerrymander as much as Republicans. In an election as close as this one that could tip the balance one way or the other in the House. The lesson here is if you are going to impose a handicap don't only impose it on yourself. I agree with you wholeheartedly but we shouldn't be giving them any possible advantages they don't deserve. The mistake with gerrymandering has cost us a lot of seats and potential control over the years.

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u/notyocheese1 Connecticut 9d ago

Duh! Mitch McConnell worked for years to achieve this. He tried to get his name on the Citizens United suit. He's a dark money believer and not the least bit embarrassed by it. They live in the upsidedown.

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u/Ryry975 8d ago edited 8d ago

Not surprising, the top minds of r/conservative find a way to see this as a positive: poor, shit stain republicans would be made public for their donations to candidates that support fascism, nazism, anti-choice and overall anti-democratic decisions.

Almost like they are ashamed to be public about their views when they support pedophiles and nazis in the GOP.

Edit: it's akin to that one bakery that refused to make that gay couple a cake--it's fine if you want be open with your views and I appreciate it since now I know to never give you my business. Same with politicians and people who give them money--people should know where you stand.

But that's never the Republican M.O. Theirs is to have abortions in secret and then cry about pro-life in public. Actively oppose actions that benefit the majority to appeal to their dumbass constituents and then take credit for it. They have been able to have their cake and eat it for far too long.

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u/glisteningdinkus 9d ago

The GOP draining the swamp right into their campaign funds.

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u/PineNeedleDown 8d ago

f*** neoliberalism (aka reaganomics)

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u/sir420eyes 9d ago

Represent.us is a movement trying to end legal political corruption in the United States. Please look into this and support!

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u/Dry-Bird-2993 9d ago

And of course. In political forums around the country. There will still be people screaming...do nothing democrats and both sides to the top of their lungs. Democrats should start running on stuff like this. Putting it in as many ads as humanly possible. Pointing out exactly what republicans blocked and why they blocked it. Hell, doesn't even need to be democrats in office or who are running for office. Name names. Liberals should start pinning republicans to the wall with stuff like this.

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u/oldwedgie 8d ago edited 8d ago

Corporations are people and money is speech, according to the corrupt Supreme court Justices, the same lot that just took women's rights away

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u/fuckshitpoopdick 8d ago

You read the shit they're saying in r/conservative to justify EVERY REPUBLICAN voting against this?