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Russians try burning down 5 military enlistment offices after announcement of mobilisation Covered by other articles

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/23/7368728/

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u/Darwinian_10 9d ago

Putin be acting like Russians haven't executed their own ruler before and can do it again.

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u/TheIowan 8d ago

"How many times do we need to teach you this lesson old man!"

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u/2Eyed 8d ago

The irony is, he did this all to himself...

Could've retired somewhere secure with all his pilfered billions and become a tech mogul or something after a PR blitz, but instead he chose this.

I do hope the people of Russia get someone better after he falls down some stairs, out a window, and into a vat of polonium...

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u/Boxy310 8d ago

For someone so set on becoming Tsar, nobody reminded him what happened to the last one.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 8d ago

To quote Phish:

"This time will be different, until I do it again"

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u/flyest_nihilist1 8d ago

How does the old russian saying go? "... and then it got worse"

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u/flamboyant-dipshit 8d ago

The logic conundrum that is a tyrants fall is an interesting study: So sure of their superiority that they fail to realize that they are failing, because that surely can't be.

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u/xXSpaceturdXx 8d ago edited 8d ago

For real the dude is a billionaire and he knows he’s dying. He could’ve spent his final years in philanthropy trying to make Russia a better place so that people will remember him fondly. He has enough money to make some very positive changes in Russia. Whats this jackass do? He invades another country, rapes and murders their people. I hope there’s a never ending line of people waiting to piss on his grave.

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u/NotMyBestMistake 9d ago Silver Helpful Wholesome

No, you see, this is just a side effect of having so many people volunteering! They rush to the offices so quickly and have so much enthusiasm it suddenly combusts!

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u/Ordinary_Hepburn 9d ago

Intense friction! Special voluntary operation

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u/EdwardsLoL 9d ago

I swear I've seen this movie, somewhere. 🤔

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u/AstralVoidShaper 9d ago Silver

Special Voluntary Operation 2: De-Nazification of a Foreign Bedroom

Tagline: I did Nazi that coming

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u/BaphometsTits 8d ago

Step-Nazi, what are you doing?

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u/shartshooter 8d ago Gold

Goose-step brother...what are you doing?

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u/DanielEGVi 9d ago

And everyone voted so hard that the palace caught on fire and burned down.

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u/Arkane-Light 9d ago

"Since the beginning of partial mobilisation in Russia, at least five military enlistment offices have been set on fire, and cases of fires in administrative buildings have also become more frequent.

On the night of 23 September, unidentified individuals threw a Molotov cocktail through a window of the military enlistment office in Khabarovsk. The police were ordered to check if everything is fine next to the district military enlistment offices every two hours.
Earlier, they tried to burn down the military enlistment office in the city of Svobodny in the Amur region. According to the publication, there are confirmed cases of arson in St. Petersburg, in Gai (Orenburg Oblast), as well as in the village of Kira in Trans-Baikal Territory.
In addition, fires in administrative buildings have become more frequent in Russia. In particular, on the night of 22-23 September, a fire occurred in the Kamyshin City Hall in Volgograd Oblast, as well as in the House of Arts in the village of Tselinny in Altai, where the village council administration is located."

These are the good russians, they are not going to die for the bloated lunatic maniac who sits comfortably in the Kremlin, they are essentially saying a big f#you to the regime.

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u/MachReverb 9d ago

"When I have problem, I throw Molotov cocktail, then I have different problem." - Jasona Medozavich

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u/bloodectomy 8d ago

BORTLESOVICH!!

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u/WolfCola4 8d ago

The Zheleznogorsk Zhaguars are the greatest team of all time

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u/a_softer_world 8d ago

Jason Mendoza, a legend

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u/oldgodkino 9d ago edited 8d ago

i just read yesterday that the Legion basically says on their guide to escaping russia, “tell us the recruitment office where your documents are located. if the recruitment office catches on fire your paperwork will be lost forever”

so it seems they’re actively prepping to burn down a lot more. respect

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u/Sauteedmushroom2 9d ago edited 8d ago

I’d say it looks like Russians don’t want this war to continue. Good on them for taking right action.

Edit: I’ll toss an edit since this picked up more speed than I thought it would. If I lived in Russia under Putin-a crazy asshole- I would lay low until it’s “safe”. Is it a little late to stand up with morals all of sudden? YES. But it’s better than tomorrow.

Are these people trying to save their asses? Yup. But I WOULD TOO. Does that make me a shitty person? Maybe, maybe not. It makes me a person that doesn’t want to go fight in a war.

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u/Heyblorp 8d ago

There have always been Russians who didn't want the war to continue, but for most people it's hard to take real action where the chances of success are minimal while the consequences of taking action is huge.

If most people are honest with themselves, you would need an immediate self interest to act in that situation. You would need personal fear that makes the action worth the consequence.

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u/guave06 8d ago

This is the most realistic view of the situation. It’s easy to blame all the Russians, but imagine you’re one single Russian up against a murderous, tyrannical dictator and his regime. Hard to uprise with such terrible odds, easy for others to call the that cowardice when it ain’t them.

I pray to god if there even is one that more russians continue to peel their eyes and realize what a criminal farce this war is that they’re being sent to die for

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u/Heyblorp 8d ago

I was living in the UK when 1m people marched in the streets against the Iraq war, and the government just invaded anyways.

That was when I understood how fucking brave you'd have to be to do something so hopeless in an authoritarian state when a Russian work prison for 10 years is on the line. I knew I wouldn't do it unless my life was on the line.

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u/creamyturtle 8d ago

TIL russia doesn't have DropBox

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u/turtle_power00 8d ago

They don't use external hard drives in Russia? Save to a network? Cloud? Seems a bit out dated to only use paper copies for such an important thing.

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u/flex_inthemind 8d ago edited 8d ago

Many government ministries all over the world are pretty outdated when it comes to this thing, and it gets worse the more corrupt the department is, and the Russian military is incredibly corrupt. "Why buy computers when you can just say you did and pocket the money, it's not like there will ever be a reason to use them, at least not while you're alive." Private sector companies use all the modern tech when necessary tho.

Edit: reason (when the reason isn't all the money was stolen) why many agencies are outdated is that you have to rework the burocracy and protocols from the ground up with an upgrade like that, not to mention the cost of doing it system wide. So public agencies tend to wait as long as possible so that the next tech they implement will be supported for a while. Fun example: US nuclear weapons only stopped needing floppy disks to fire in 2019

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u/Rufus_king11 8d ago

This isn't even relegated to public agencies. There are plenty of private bussinesses still in the US running Microsoft Windows Server 2008 because the cost of having the system down and changing your entire workflow costs more then paying some private IT firm to continue support.

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u/Caponara 9d ago

I hope they'll manage to rise and kick in the balls their regimen and cops like Iran is doing

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u/Th3Seconds1st 9d ago

I hope so too. His civies overthrowing him is one of the few ways I see him going down without firing at least one nuke off before he does. It corners him but he can’t lash out at his own country with nukes. We need jailbreak Navalny. Like I’d be totally fine with trading Victor Bout’s crummy ass for Navalny.

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u/Kir-chan 9d ago

For a revolution to succeed, the army has to side with the protesters. A good way to ensure this is to make those protesters your army.

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u/G-TP0 8d ago

Well said. This belongs in a higher place than buried in a Reddit thread. This is like the Russian companion piece to The Art of War.

"Mr. Vlad's Big Book of the No-Nos, Don'ts, and Whoopsies of War"

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u/Dubbs09 9d ago

I keep seeing the words ‘try’ and ‘attempt’. Did they do it/have success and actually burn them down? Are they still usable?

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u/TheVoid-ItCalls 9d ago

Following the Soviet tradition, most of these buildings are of concrete construction. Pretty difficult to really burn them down.

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u/G-TP0 8d ago

They don't need to burn them down. Better they don't. Every time personnel and resources are redirected to securing the area, finding and arresting those responsible or acceptable patsies, it's effort not put towards locating conscripts on the run, and pulling priorities and attention from Ukraine to the interior, in the most punishing blow possible to Putin's ego, which is really the root cause of the war itself.

Like how in a battle, killing a soldier removes one soldier from the other side. Wounding a soldier who can be treated removes not only that soldier from the battle, but gets two more to stop shooting long enough to get the wounded out of the line of fire, and then use up the medics and resources for treating the wounded soldier. Minor damage requiring constant attention for an indefinite amount of time is often more effective than a crushing blow that makes it a one-time loss.

Plenty of buildings in Moscow, and they could convert an apartment building into a new military enlistment building in an afternoon. Russia has a history of treating Russians with the same or greater brutality and cruelty than foreign enemies.

Funny how well propaganda and disinformation can seem to control people, right up until the moment reality shows up at their door.

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u/Anihillator 9d ago

Unfortunately, those are only attempts. At best couple rooms get burnt down, but usually it gets extinguished quickly. As far as I know, currently all military related offices and buildings are working non-stop, 24/7, sleep on the workplace style so people are always there and able to do something.

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u/Liar_a 8d ago

There are also armed policemen around now. Couldn't figure out why would they need so many to guard a military commissariat, but could be because of that.

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u/UraniumGeranium 9d ago

I would guess it would be a more localized burn, like whatever room they threw a Molotov into, but it didn't spread to the whole building.

Every bit helps though, and it still sends the message.

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u/AJWinky 9d ago edited 8d ago

Russian anarchists are heroes. Bakunin and Kropotkin would be proud.

EDIT: And Emma Goldman, she'd be proud as hell too.

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u/mmmbopdoombop 9d ago Helpful

If the choices were sabotage my own country or be sent to fight as infantry in the front-lines of a war I didn't believe in then I would sabotage my own country.

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u/KeyanReid 9d ago

Especially if said country has robbed you blind and treated you like shit your entire life.

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u/WingedLing 9d ago

And that kids, is why America will never see another Draft.

It was easy to mobilize against Hitler and the Nazis. They were the personification of evil. Watch old WB cartoons from around then. The Japanese got it worse, but all 3 of the Axis powers got lampooned in an effort to ensure that all Americans, young and old, knew the faces of evil.

They have tried and tried to polarize America again, but with less luck. Look at the war on terror - they tried, and came close, but couldn't resell "axis of evil" as well this time.

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u/Thagyr 9d ago

The world is far more connected than ever before. Not only that people have travelled more than ever before. The eyes of the world are open and it is very hard to close them again.

It's little wonder why countries like China and Russia heavily control what information goes into their population. Once the cat is out it is impossible to stuff it back into the bag.

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u/VillyD13 9d ago

The US wasn’t all that far removed from the horrors of WW1. Many people still had family residing in Poland and Germany when WW2 broke out as well

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u/Lyaley 9d ago

If my nation was engaged in a genocidal war I don't think I could truly consider trying to impede those efforts sabotage towards my country. Feels more like a service.

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u/sockbref 9d ago

Propaganda is a helluva drug

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u/Lopsided-Wave2479 9d ago

Is not a war to defend tour country, is a war to invade other country. Russian dont need more land.

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u/LostPlatipus 9d ago

I'd say - every little helps now.

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u/Lyaley 9d ago

There actually exists a whole resistance and/or war tactic centered around this very idea. Small inconveniences and inefficiency at every turn.

As a side note, if anyone remembers the proper term for it, I'd be thankful.

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u/Oblivious122 9d ago

They called it "simple sabotage" in WW2, and the US literally wrote the book on it. They dropped tens of thousands of "The Simple Sabotage Field Manual" (authored by the OSS) throughout Europe. It contained simple acts such as adding a pinch of iron filings to an engine block (which would cause it to require much more frequent maintenance), referring all decisions to committees made as large as possible (no fewer than five), hanging up on wording, over or under tightening bolts, overheating hot rivets, rewarding the incompetent with promotions, all things so small they would not draw attention, but would create vast chaos down the line, and greatly increase the burden on the enemy. Even just working more slowly.

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u/imrduckington 9d ago

Simple sabotage

Oss

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u/manolid 9d ago

When you don't let people protest peacefully, then this happens

Is it this or are people maybe trying to hinder/prevent mobilisation from happening?

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u/LostPlatipus 9d ago

Both. An intention of this guerilla war is to hinder russia's war effort of course. When they post pics of another derailed train it is always a goods/petrol/supplies carrying one.

Another aspect is to demonstrate that russia has something to say to mr. putin and his cronies.

And it would be appropriate to mention that peacefull protests in russia are ongoing. They never stopped really since 02.24. For perspective - one was held in major cities right after putin declared his mobilization, another planned for this w/e. Yet policing is so intense you hardly could protest for more than a few minutes. Even if all you do is holding a blank piece of paper - kidding you not. Shitloads of police on the streets too.

This is why I said this guerilla war in russia, like a power substation arson attempt recently, is a way to say " fuck yo mr putin & co".

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u/RixirF 9d ago

What would it take to get police to not give a shit about defending Putin's pathetic attempt at ruling a country?

I assume police are paid dogshit amounts, what keeps them loyal?

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u/Vitosi4ek 9d ago

They're not paid well, but they're tacitly allowed to compensate for it with bribes and corruption. That's one thing. Another, simply the ability to beat people up with no repercussions is enough of a motivator for the kind of person who considers joining the police/Rosgvardia.

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u/Gamebird8 9d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if Ukrainian special agents are using the chaos and frustration to their advantage.

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u/Rare_Cause_1735 9d ago

I hope they are

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u/LostPlatipus 9d ago

They are more than welcome. There are russians fighting on the Ukraininan side now (among other nationalities), sure russian guerilla fighters can use any help now. BTC wallet for donations is public knowledge.

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u/s-mores 9d ago

Nah they don't have to. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they had standing orders to lay low for a few weeks when this happens.

There's going to be enough mayhem and destruction without them, no need to risk actual assets yet.

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u/Initial_E 9d ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Russian agent provocateurs that haven’t been paid for their work

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u/KmartQuality 9d ago

I would be surprised if they weren't trying, with help from several other spy agencies.

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u/Boofle2141 9d ago

When you dont let people protest peacfully, then this happens.

Isnt this part of the "four boxes of liberty" theory. Which are soap, ballot, jury, and ammo/cartridge. The theory goes that people will work through those boxes to remove an unjust government. With regards to russia, they can't protest (however peacfully they might try), they can't vote (because elections don't matter because no one counts the votes), they can't use jury nulification (because, by the looks of things, people are being convinced without trial, especially with this current decree), so people are only left with the last box, the box signifying rebellion.

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u/outerproduct 9d ago

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK

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u/WontThinkStraight 9d ago Gold Helpful Bravo! Vibing

Lavrov: Nyet, citizens aren't burning down enlistment offices. Is Aurora Borealis!

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u/IvorTheEngineDriver 9d ago Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

Aurora Borealis? At this time of year? At this time of day? In those parts of the country? Localized entirely to military enlistment offices?

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u/t_ran_asuarus_rex 9d ago

yes.

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u/Sariscos 9d ago

Can I see it?

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u/CMDR_Agony_Aunt 9d ago

No.

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u/Robert_The_Red 9d ago

Lavrov! The Kremlins on fire!

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u/Muffinshire 9d ago

Nyet, mamochka, it’s just the Northern Lights!

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u/Muted_Yogurtcloset10 9d ago

Well Lavrov, you are a strange fellow, but you steam a good ham.

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u/Khelthuzaad 9d ago

Forced deployment?

No,no,no...

I sayed....Forked Eggplantment

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u/Bazinga530 9d ago

HEEEEELP HEEEEEELLLP

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u/TechyDad 9d ago

Well Lavrov, you are a strange fellow, but you steam a good ham. potato.

FTFY

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u/Is-This-Edible 9d ago

Well Lavrov, you are a strange fellow, but you steam ferment a good ham. potato.

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u/Obamas_Tie 9d ago

There's at least three variations of this response on this thread and they're all hilarious.

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u/CMDR_Agony_Aunt 9d ago

No Vladimir, its just the Northern Lights.

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u/benadrylpill 9d ago

No, babushka, it's just the northern lights.

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u/Randroth_Kisaragi 9d ago Helpful

No Putin, it's just the Northern lights!!

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u/thatsthejokememe 9d ago

So you call them enlisted soldiers despite the fact that they’re obviously pressed?

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u/CMDR_Agony_Aunt 9d ago

.... Yes! Its an old Moscow saying.

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u/WingedLing 9d ago

Really? Well I'm from Moscow and I've never heard anyone use the phrase 'enlisted soldiers'.

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u/koenkamp 9d ago

Oh no not in Moscow no, it's a Tula expression.

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u/cgcs20 8d ago

Ohh not in Moscow, no. It’s a St. Petersburg expression

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u/CMDR_Agony_Aunt 8d ago

Oh no, its an Ismaylovo expression.

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u/killiomankili 9d ago

Lavrov the offices are on fire

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u/oced2001 9d ago

Lavrov, you are an odd man, but you make a good steamed ham.

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u/Insufferablelol 9d ago

Yes it's right outside that window. Why don't you step up to it and look out?

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u/PloppyTheSpaceship 9d ago

The open window next to the staircase, yes?

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u/UCLA_FB_SUCKS 9d ago

Nyet

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u/Bartfuck 9d ago

Feel like this is the proper response instead of the normal “no”

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u/alwaysuseswrongyour 9d ago

Da.

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u/-Owlette- 9d ago

May I see it?

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u/MATELERE 9d ago

...Nyet.

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u/Ferelar 9d ago

And you call this steamed borscht despite the fact it is obviously grilled?

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u/movingchicane 9d ago

WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE

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u/ImOldGreggggggggggg 9d ago Silver

You are right because RYAN STARTED THE FIRE!

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u/EvilLibrarians 9d ago

Ryan Started The Fire

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u/StevefromLatvia 9d ago

It was always burning since the world was turning!

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u/craycrayfishfillet 9d ago

…Putin, Vaccine, England's got a new king

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u/wtfduud 9d ago Take My Energy

MAR-A-LAGO, GORBACHEV, RUSSIAN WARSHIP FUCK YOURSELF

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u/jlwinter90 9d ago

Hijabs burning in Iran, School shootings, abortion ban...

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u/Next-Nefariousness41 8d ago

Britain’s new budget plan, flooding in Afghanistan.

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u/effcensorship 8d ago

Merrick Garland. FBI. Magically declassified.

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u/Carlynz 9d ago

Northern Lights, Cannabis Indica

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u/wouter135 9d ago edited 8d ago

Medvedev: Foreign agents are burning down enlistment offices which hinders hundreds of volunteers today in their applying process.

Edit: Yes, it's a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised of he or any other mouth of Sauron will claim such a thing. Their lies are getting more obvious day by day.

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u/ThatQuietNeighbor 9d ago

Volunteers? LOL Medvedev is such a comedian.

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u/pennywise1868 9d ago

Some politicians are better comedians.. and some comedians..

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u/CloudySpace 9d ago

Are better presidents?

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u/Foraminiferal 9d ago

Next up, Putin's mansion

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u/m34nstav 9d ago edited 9d ago

Noticed the amount of online trolls in support of Russia has really nosedived since Ukraine did that big offensive, along with a general increase of discontent within Russia. Not many cyber attacks occuring either. Sure seems like the tide has turned against Putin, even his loyal fan base has gone silent.

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u/erizofeliz 9d ago Silver

A russian here(obviously against the war and politics) - with the last move even the dumbest Z-idiots started understanding something and finally shut up. Seems some line has been crossed after all, as the biggest "patriots" and war/government supporters now clearly see that there is direct danger for them as well and things don't work the way they're told by state tv

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u/loudtoys 9d ago

Things change in your mind when your the one in danger.

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u/Masterreeferr 8d ago

Yup. As long as the government was just sending already conscripted guys from the outer regions (aka ethnic minorities) then not a problem comrade. But now that the government is rounding up hundreds of thousands More people that aren't all ethnic minorities this is problem comrade. It's all gucci until suddenly it's Their ass on the line.

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u/Evadrepus 8d ago

The classic "and then they came for me" quote would apply as usual.

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u/PopularWobblyRadio 8d ago

Hallmark of the conservative. Nothing is real until it's right in front of me.

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u/LucyLilium92 8d ago

Except religion

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u/PDXEng 8d ago

Well they are ok with that because they've all agreed to only pay attention to the parts they like.

The turn of the other cheek and washing the feet of the poor is to be ignored.

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u/SexWomble 9d ago

I’m curious. Putin’s propaganda has shifted in recent weeks from “We’re carrying out a special operation against Ukraine” to “We’re fighting for our survival against all NATO”. It’s obviously completely untrue but the point of that propaganda shift seems to have been to make this mobilisation more popular than it would have been.

How do you think that messaging is playing out in Russia? Do people generally believe it?

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u/ProcessMeMrHinkie 8d ago

There was a post yesterday that made a lot of sense.

The people and government had an understanding and non-verbalized/written agreement. If the people stay out of government affairs and politics, they won't have to risk their lives in war - that'll be for the mercenaries and people that explicitly want to be soldiers. And the media turned war into a sport for the common man that had nothing to do with fighting it - the people would get to cheer on Russia's wins/fighting while only being observers as their mercenaries went forth to fight for the motherland. With mobilization, that has changed and Russia has broken the agreement.

Dictatorship can survive if it doesn't force people into military (or to march towards death), but if people are forced into military then they deserve more freedom in politics because their lives are on the line and they deserve to vote for what they fight for.

Now that the war is no longer a sport about a distant land, people will start turning as they get nothing but a handout of cash and face likely death.

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u/erizofeliz 8d ago

Exactly the idea I heard yesterday and it makes a lot of sense. While government is dealing with its "foreign" affairs by itself, people will be ok even with side effects, and i would honestly say it was working. Now when people get directly involved - it stops being ok even for pretty dumb ones.

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u/erizofeliz 9d ago

I don't follow this shit too much to be able to say much, but from my point of view - people were believing it, and the shift of idea may have worked even for the benefit of the government - probably, people were even ready to "support" mobilisation by talking. But once it started it was a nasty wake up call and seems that the mood is going not the way the government expected. People really believed that propaganda shit, but things changed when yhe police started knocking at the doors

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u/SexWomble 9d ago

Interesting, thanks and look after yourself.

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u/HayatoAkimaru 8d ago

I am another russian. You must understand that many of our people, who lived in times of Cold War, still alive, their children alive. They always have been fed with bs abt how USA wants to conquer Russia, and, well, almost none of them cannot separate NATO and USA - they're thinking they are the same things, and all that crap abt USA they projecting on NATO. And let me tell you, that's a lot of crap. Especially after in last ten years or so, our propaganda constantly says them such things with even more vigour than before. Ofc, it got even stronger after start of the war, and without alternative sources of informafion for most of them... It's a very predictable results. Maybe not generally, but still many people sincerely believe in this, unfortunately. Sorry for my mistakes, i'm still learning english.

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u/FlyHamster 9d ago

Russian here

Yep, turns most brain damaged people with a Z as a profile picture...don't actually want to die and leave their families without husband/dad

There are some exceptions, obviously, but still

Shit is fucked tbh, officialy they are enlisting only 300k people right now but i don't bellieve them at all, if some cunt in uniform will knock on my door i have a choice between 10 years in prison or dying for some seenile old fuck

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u/drfigglesworth 8d ago

Don't let em take you without a fight

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u/fuckincaillou 9d ago

I've noticed the same. The silence is telling.

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u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl 9d ago

All the guys in charge of running the russian sock puppet accounts probably got called to service or made for the border.

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u/WingedLing 9d ago

This forced conscription couldn't have come at a worse time for Trump and his 'legal' team.

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u/Bamith20 9d ago

Everything Trump gets involved in turns to shit, that includes Russia impressively.

Could have been a 007 spy that infiltrated places under the order of improving them to sabotage them.

I think someone needs to plant the idea into Putin that if he never got involved with Trump, Ukraine would just maybe be his right now. Juuuust to cause a lil' drama.

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u/Romboteryx 9d ago

He is the Anti-Midas

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u/outletforfun 9d ago

King Mierda & the Mierda's touch.

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u/tweak06 9d ago

Across the board, Russian trolls are few and few between. Whether it be some alt-right dickheads posting meme bullshit on twitter or even on here, I haven't seen nearly as many russian bots around social media as I have in past months.

Seems like they've all been sent to the front line

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u/paenusbreth 9d ago

There was one account I followed which did military analysis with a massive bias towards Russia (though he was American). At the start of the Kharkiv offensive, he tweeted out that all major objectives were still in Russian hands (which even at that point, they probably weren't) and that Russia was just about to launch a massive counteroffensive which would encircle and destroy all remaining mobile assets of the Ukrainian armed forces.

Within a week, his Twitter and YouTube accounts were both made private.

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u/TripleEhBeef 8d ago

Armchair Warlord, I think.

We have been enjoying his hot takes over at NCD.

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u/incompletemoron 9d ago

Just go look at Fox news. Tucker Carlson has a full blown "blame the west" article up and the comments that would normally be in total agreement are openly mocking him. That's definitely abnormal.

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u/PM_ME_UR_SURFBOARD 9d ago

I checked Tucker’s most recent article on Russia-Ukraine, and you are 100% correct. I scrolled through dozens of comments and not a single one that I saw supported Tucker’s pro-Russian stance.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-point-ukraine-war-regime-change-russia?spot_im_scroll_to_comments=true&spot_im_highlight_immediate=true

If Putin is deposed after all this, it may be better for America than we would have expected…

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u/Abedeus 9d ago

That means toppling Vladimir Putin and creating a black hole in the center of Eastern Europe, the place where Asia meets Europe in a country with some of the biggest energy reserves on the planet and the largest nuclear arsenal. How is that going to work out?

I can picture him making that stupid confused face he always makes when faced with something he doesn't understand.

"CENTER OF EASTERN EUROPE". As in, country that is mostly in Asia land-wise... pretty sure Ukraine and its neighbors are "center of Eastern Europe".

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u/not_suddenly_satire 9d ago

This mean Fox will have to turn off comments, delete the ones already there, then stick their fingers in their ears and say na-na-na-I-can't-hear-you!

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u/JahnBitWaf 9d ago

Can’t see the comments (maybe they’re blocked for readers outside US?) but would be interesting to read.

Carlson is basically saying “We have to let Putin send tanks into as many European countries as he wants, because he has nukes.”

Presumably once Putin has France, Spain, Portugal and the U.K. and Ireland, the next stop will be the Eastern United States, at which point Tucker will reconsider his position.

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u/Robocop613 8d ago

Carlson is basically saying “We have to let Putin send tanks into as many European countries as he wants, because he has nukes.”

Which is literally a Russian talking point. Wasn't there a letter that was prepared to be read if they actually won in 3 days like they expected that said basically this?

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u/Strict-Square456 8d ago

How much is he getting paid by Russia to say all this garbage?

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u/VigilantMaumau 8d ago

at which point Tucker will reconsider his position.

I dont think he would. He probably thinks he will be made reich minister of propaganda.

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u/SomeSortOfMachine 8d ago

Holy shit, even the two braincells that republicans can manage to rub together are against Tucker's rediculous claims and opinions, for the most part. That is how bad Putin has fucked up, even their more obvious propaganda mouth pieces in the US are being rejected.

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u/Aggravating-Wrap4861 9d ago All-Seeing Upvote

I wonder how much of this is actually due to cyber warfare from the west. No doubt the five eyes knew where this astro turf propaganda was coming from and this invasion was a suitable opportunity to cut them off.

I just don't understand why else it would have stopped. It seems like it would be a worthwhile operation for Russia to continue.

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u/Barnyard723 9d ago

The people working the disinformation farms are dead?

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u/Geichalt 9d ago

Probably a little of both, but the US intelligence community did come out and basically say they are doing this now.

"The cable released Tuesday cites a new intelligence assessment of Russia's global covert efforts to support policies and parties sympathetic to Moscow. The cable does not name specific Russian targets but says the U.S. is providing classified information to select individual countries." https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-09-13/us-russia-spent-300m-to-covertly-influence-world-politics

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u/Cyrano_Nose 9d ago Silver Platinum Helpful Wholesome Bravo! Brighten My Day

If you burn down an enlistment office do you have to worry about a backdraft?

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u/FREESARCASM_plustax 9d ago

Don't forget that gasoline plus Styrofoam equals a viscous, sticky napalm that stays where it hits.

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u/Dowgellah 9d ago

A little more tricky than you might think, here in Russia most such state institutions have literal metal bars on their windows, at least on ground floor. Less so on second floor, but that will involve some precision throwing

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u/JollyGreenGiraffe 9d ago

Pee on a towel or thicker shirt and you can bend bars. Jackie Chan taught me that.

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u/ScrofessorLongHair 9d ago

Can you get fingerprints off of a bottle that's burned? Seems like it would burn off the oil from the fingerprints

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u/Animus0724 9d ago

Special arson operations

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u/eggwhitessss 9d ago

Not a surprise. Before, when they had something to lose they kept silent and quiet. Now? They can and will be summoned at any time to fight for a war (the majority) don't support. They aren't stupid. They know that going to Ukraine means they are used as cannon fodder, and they're realising that if they don't resist, they're screwed.

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u/Traditional_Frame934 9d ago

To be fair, there were similar news at the start of the war (people tried to burn down military offces, they were targeting archives) And the amount of people who went to streets was greater than on 21st of September (though punishment was then not as severe as now). But it is still not enough to make a change. I guess the government is watching closely the reaction, if people won't revolt even now, they never will. :/

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u/Don_333 9d ago

I heard an opinion that people have not yet felt the effects of mobilization. The situation may (or may not, to be fair) change when the military actions with new soldiers begin, when wives and mothers start receiving first death notices.

Still scary we let it get this far.

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u/Traditional_Frame934 9d ago

I concur. But it's a big gamble. Coffins are not received the same way it was in previous big wars and people at home are staying in the dark. Or too afraid to say what they really think. But I hope people will take action sooner than later, too many deaths already.

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u/king-of-boom 9d ago

Are they even sending them back in coffins? I thought they were cremating their casualties.

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u/Traditional_Frame934 9d ago

That what I meant actually! But I don't know if they can cremate all of them. I believe some are just abonded and lying on the ground, rotting.

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u/king-of-boom 9d ago

They would be lucky to even get the correct ashes the way the Russians have been doing logistics.

They're probably just urns with a blend of ashes from whoever was cremated that particular day

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u/Traditional_Frame934 9d ago

Sounds quite true

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u/seeingeyefish 9d ago

Fun fact: even crematoriums in the US have a bit of blending. They sweep the oven out between people, but there’s definitely some mixing going on there and in the grinder they use to make the bone chunks into a more sand-like consistency for families.

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u/king-of-boom 9d ago

You have an odd definition of fun, but interesting none the less.

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u/seeingeyefish 9d ago Wholesome

Well, somebody’s gotta put the fun back in fun-eral!

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u/Gabrovi 9d ago

But people have cell phones now. Before, you sent your son off to war and maybe got a letter a week that might have been censored. Cell phones allow for real time diffusion of info. Now that more sophisticated, urban men are being conscripted, their families will get the word out quickly.

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u/Zearidal 9d ago

They’ll hold back those notices for as long as possible.

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u/wingmanmia 9d ago

They would probably lie and say that you defected so they don’t have to pay you and you believe that your relative was alive somewhere

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u/tenmonkeysinacircle 9d ago

though punishment was then not as severe as now

No shid. A friend of a friend got served mobilization papers after being arrested on a protest on the 21st. Most guys I know from back there are staying low. So you'll probably mostly see women protesting from now on.

I'd give it a month or two though. Until those untrained, ill-equipped and completely unmotivated soldiers are sent to the front lines to die en masse.

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u/Traditional_Frame934 9d ago

Yep, I have heard that all male protesters got summoning papers while being arrested. On the other hand my college from the previous job got one (he is IT specialist btw), and he didn't protest (though was conscripted for a year I believe about 10 years ago). So those who are staying low aren't shielded from the mobilisation :/

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u/brubruy 9d ago

A lot of Russians have the same behaviour in stress situations. First goverment let you know if you rebel, worst would happen to you, than you try to run and hide from situation and keep silence. But now we have different situation. People understand that it touches everyone and there is no way to run no more, and everyone will prefer been rather in prison then dying in war. Thats why protests were so small in 21 september. Actions against goverment will be bigger with time.

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u/Slobbadobbavich 9d ago

Agreed. It's easy to be compliant when it doesn't directly affect them but now they are being forced to fight in what they were told was simply a special military operation and not a war... they know the choice is to fight as cannon fodder or fight their government.

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u/A_Rampaging_Hobo 9d ago

Crazy to think that if putin had just not done this he would've gone down in history as a stabilizing force in Russia and therefore a great leader, but he just trashed it in a couple weeks and keeps dragging it out.

Reminds me of when I'm playing a strategy game like EU4 and I think i'm strong enough to declare war and grow my nation, but I end up losing had and having to scrap the save file because I fucked up so bad.

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u/AshleyOriginal 8d ago

Yeah I mean Russia's economy was expected to actually grow a nice amount this year. But Putin decided it was time to destroy their economy, all the young people being sent to war and future relations with other countries.

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u/pilgrim93 8d ago

Russia and the sacrifice of their younger generation. Name a more iconic duo.

(Yes I know that the last time was different circumstances but still, it does seem to happen a lot)

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u/_mdz 8d ago

Dude had taken Crimea with no consequences and was wrecking all the western democracies with his right-wing pro-russia operations... seriously man, unforced error.

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u/SilentMaster 9d ago

Try? That's too bad. I hope they try again.

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u/Whereishumhum- 9d ago

Russian history in a nutshell: and then it got worse

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u/harajukukei 9d ago

burn down the fucking kremlin

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u/dewpacs 9d ago

Kremlin next 🤷?

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u/sewkzz 9d ago

One can hope

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u/Panda_tears 9d ago

Really ending this conflict starts with Russian citizens

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u/ApologeticAnalMagic 9d ago

Russia is a strange country. Murderous stairs, spontaneous combustions, I think I'll hold off from visiting in the near future.

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u/Raherin 8d ago

Don't forget the windows. Gravity just works different in Russia.

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u/mrlightpink 9d ago

This is one of the big reasons why Russia never declared official war. The key to running efficient fear based hegemonies is to always let your subjects have something to lose. I see many people mistaking desperation for hypocricy, thinking now that Russians will have to fight, they are no longer pro war. The simple reality however is, faced with the possibility of death through conscription, many Russian citizens may find that subservience is no longer the clearly safer alternative.

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u/Buddiechrist 9d ago

We have special enlistment bonus for fight for the motherland. Is potato.

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u/Sensitive-Pirate-461 9d ago

If you Russians miss this chance to rid yourselves of Putin and the Kremlin gangsters you and your children will be stuck with the monsters forever.

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u/Aicly 9d ago

A lot of people really don't understand the consequences of standing against Putin... protest in Russia is not like it is in America. The consequences are you mysteriously dying or disappearing in smoke. With no ramifications afterwards. No investigation. You're just gone.

Many Russians are against this war and have been from the start. While not directly protesting they've done it indirectly with putting together refuge packages and support to Ukraine.

This is Russians reaching the last straw of desperation. My heart breaks for the chaos Putin has caused. He's basically a tyrant in a suit.

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u/FashionTashjian 9d ago

People in the "Far East" well past Siber have no indulgence in the invasion of Ukraïna. They're mostly not even Russians.

Source: one of my musical collabotors is from Xabarovsk. Those with the means are escaping as soon as possible.

This invasion has been orchestrated from one purview: the Kremlin's.

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u/swingforthefence69 9d ago

I know some friends in Russia and they said it was way more than 5 buildings. People are pissed and I hope they overthrow the govt